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    Re: The Ask Jim Thread

    What would you consider the following wrestlers primes in terms of workrate. Let's say prime is a 2-3 year window.

    Undertaker
    Shawn Michaels
    HHH
    Mick Foley
    Hulk Hogan
    Ric Flair
    Chris Benoit
    Chris Jericho
    Sting
    Kurt Angle
    Booker T

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    Quote Originally Posted by BD22 View Post
    What would you consider the following wrestlers primes in terms of workrate. Let's say prime is a 2-3 year window.

    Shawn Michaels
    I'll take this one Jim.

    I would say between the fall of 2000 and the spring of 2002 or anything post WrestleMania 26.
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    Re: The Ask Jim Thread

    Shawn Michaels' lazy eye had a better career than Shawn Michaels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PowerfulCoxatron View Post
    Shawn Michaels' lazy eye had a better career than Shawn Micahaels.

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    He's better in Country Strong or whatever that movie is than he is ever was a wrestler.
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    Re: The Ask Jim Thread

    He was the 4th best member of Degeneration X.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PowerfulCoxatron View Post
    He was the 4th best member of Degeneration X.

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    He was God's Marty Janetty.

    I'll bring us back on track. I've been thinking about this today after Enzo's title win: has there ever been a good 'fluke' championship reign or a reign based off of limited ability that actually has decent quality or booking and doesn't jump the shark? What's the key to booking title reign like that in order to not have it come off as a complete booking failure?

    The only one I can think of is Santino's first IC Title reign but even that arguably went too long.

    EDIT: Also can you book Duke The Dumpster Droese as WWF Champion okay thx
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    Re: The Ask Jim Thread

    No matter how many jobbers we get him to book as world champion it'll never be better than BRAVOMANIA RUNNIN WILD

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    Quote Originally Posted by BD22 View Post
    What would you consider the following wrestlers primes in terms of workrate. Let's say prime is a 2-3 year window.
    I'll be focusing more on select year periods as sometimes a wrestler will have a really strong year, but the next year won't be as strong, so if I focus on 2-3 years, I may be having to ignore individual great years.

    Undertaker - Probably around 2006-2007 with late 1996-1997 being a good year as well.

    Shawn Michaels - 1996 HBK was his best as a singles wrestler with ease. His 1989 as a member of the Rockers were also great, if you extend it to 1989-Wrestlemania 6, you even somehow get a good Dino Bravo tag match.

    HHH - Obviously 2000 to his first torn quad.

    Mick Foley - I have to go with 1994 since he managed to carry The Nasty Boys to several really good matches and even a 5 star match.

    Hulk Hogan - Early 80s would be the most logical choice before he started to drastically limit his workrate in favor of sticking with a simple, but insanely popular act.

    Ric Flair - Mid-80s would be fair to say. 84-86 ish?

    Chris Benoit - 2000 until his neck injury in 2001.

    Chris Jericho - Maybe the same time period as Benoit?

    Sting - 1988 would be my first thought, but 1992 was probably stronger in terms of having quality matches against a greater amount of opponents.

    Kurt Angle - 2002-2003 when Angle was figuring out his formula, but it was still fresh. In addition, before the injuries started to pile up.

    Booker T - Did he ever have a prime? I guess 2001-2002? Idk, dude was always massively overrated. [/QUOTE]

    Quote Originally Posted by Darling Nicky View Post
    I'll bring us back on track. I've been thinking about this today after Enzo's title win: has there ever been a good 'fluke' championship reign or a reign based off of limited ability that actually has decent quality or booking and doesn't jump the shark? What's the key to booking title reign like that in order to not have it come off as a complete booking failure?
    I've been thinking about this and I've come to the conclusion that either these sort of title reigns suck (JBL 2004 or Prince Iakaua 1997) or the quality comes from the surprise win, but the actual title reign is too short to be anything too special. There's several good examples of that. Both of 1-2-3 Kid's WWE Tag reigns in 1994 and 1995. Jeff Hardy's brief IC Title reign post-WM 17. There are a couple of reigns that could fit as answers though.

    - Rey Mysterio Jr's 1st Cruiserweight Title reign - I've spoken about this before, but I found it to be a massive upset when Mysterio beat Malenko on Nitro. Yet by time Mysterio lost the belt back to Malenko at Halloween Havoc, you probably had the absolute best Cruiserweight Title reign in history.

    - The Young Bucks' 1st PWG Tag Title reign - They won the belts from a fairly big team in 2008 with Age of the Fall, but this was before the Bucks were one of the biggest tag teams in wrestling. They went from being an opening match act to main eventing PWG shows and one of the most sought after indie acts.

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    Re: The Ask Jim Thread

    Great booking Jim. You've made Jannetty and Candido very useful and improved the tag division.

    Once you've answered the Jake Roberts question then I've got another booking question. Year long booking for Lex Luger and Tatanka. SummerSlam 94. Let's just say Lex Luger beats Tatanka. Luger sells out and joins the Million Dollar Corporation.

    Book Luger's run in the MDC. However his last match in the WWE must be against The Undertaker at SummerSlam 95. It can either be a casket match, loser leaves WWE, up to you what type of match. This ends the year long rivalry between The Undertaker and The MDC.

    As for Tatanka, his heel run was a failure. It would be interesting to see how you continue to book him as a face up till SummerSlam 95.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kintaro View Post
    Book Jake Roberts return run as a heel from Royal Rumble 1996 with the run ending when he left the company around February 1997.
    Royal Rumble 1996

    Jake Roberts returns to the WWE in the Royal Rumble match. This can go down exactly as it did in reality with Roberts being a babyface and using Revelations (His 1996 snake) and the DDT against Lawler. Roberts can get in one or two eliminations before being tossed as well.

    Bret Hart (c) def The Undertaker to retain WWE Title after interference from Jake Roberts. The fans are initially confused as to how they should react, but they settle on booing Roberts when he continued the attack after the match, laying Taker out with a few DDTs on the exposed floor.

    Angle: Roberts return and the set-up for the Taker angle. You're also allowing the fans to get in their babyface reactions with the snake and the DDT on Lawler so that they're willing to boo him later in the show.

    Monday Night Raw - Night After Royal Rumble

    Roberts cuts a heel promo about taking all credit for Taker's WWE success by showing Taker how to embrace his evilness years ago. How did Taker repay him? By turning on his master and being responsible for Roberts' absence from WWE TV for four years. Roberts is solely back in the WWE to kill the Deadman. Clips of their 1991-1992 partnership/feud can be played.

    Jake Roberts def Aldo Montoya with the Tombstone Piledriver. After the match, Roberts hits the DDT on the exposed floor to injure Montoya. Bob Holly runs out to protect his buddy from any further punishment.

    Angle: The creation of a short term program between Roberts/Holly to build Roberts up for his Taker WM match. Montoya is officially announced to have broken his neck.

    Monday Night Raw - Build-up to IYH 6

    Angle: Roberts wins a series of squashes against jobbers and lowcarders. Roberts keeps attempting to hit DDTs on the exposed floor after winning matches with the Tombstone. Bob Holly is always there to save the victims before they get Aldo'd.

    In Your House 6

    Jake Roberts def Bob Holly with the Tombstone. After the match, Roberts injures Holly with the DDT on the exposed floor, injuring Holly and causing him to have to be stretchered out. After the injury angle, the lights go off and The Undertaker plays mind games with Roberts in Taker's first interaction on WWE TV since Royal Rumble, although he doesn't appear.

    Angle: Wrapping up the short term Roberts/Holly program with Roberts killing off the savior of the jobbers and officially setting up the Taker/Roberts WM match.

    Wrestlemania 12

    The Undertaker def Jake Roberts with a DDT. After the match, Taker lays Roberts out with a Tombstone on the floor outside.

    Angle: Roberts fails against Taker and gets hurt in the process. Is this it for Roberts?!

    Monday Night Raw - Night After Wrestlemania

    The Undertaker def Isaac Yankem in the main event. After the match, Mankind makes his debut, attacking The Undertaker, destroying Taker worse than anyone had before.

    Angle: Setting up Taker/Mankind angle.

    In Your House 7

    Mankind def The Undertaker after Jake Roberts returned, wearing a neck brace to interfere and help Mankind win. After the match, Roberts cuts a promo about how he's responsible for bringing Mankind into the WWE and if Taker thought he had rid himself of Roberts at Wrestlemania, he's mistaken. The war to kill the Deadman has just begun.

    Angle: The Roberts/Mankind partnership is created.

    In Your House 8

    Free-For-All Match: Mankind w/Jake Roberts def Bushwhacker Butch

    Angle: Just an easy victory for Mankind as we prepare for Mankind/Taker II.

    King of the Ring 1996

    KOTR Semi-Finals: Marc Mero def Mankind w/Jake Roberts via count-out after The Undertaker interferes. After the match while Taker and Mankind are fighting up the entrance way, Roberts lays Mero out with a DDT on the mat on the outside.
    KOTR Finals: Steve Austin def an injured Marc Mero due to the Roberts DDT.

    Angle: Mankind/Taker continues while Mero gets caught up in the program as well.

    In Your House 9

    Mankind and Jake Roberts def The Undertaker and Marc Mero after Aldo Montoya returns and turns heel by hitting a spinning Tombstone on Mero behind the ref's back to allow Roberts to pin Mero.

    Angle: Both Mankind/Taker and Mero/Roberts feuds continue. Aldo returns to align himself as a lackey of Roberts. Aldo will be renamed as Mr. Aldo and will change up his ring gear/mask to a darker look.

    Summerslam 1996

    Jake Roberts w/Mr. Aldo def Marc Mero with the DDT despite Mero laying Mr. Aldo out after a lot of interference.

    Mankind def The Undertaker in a Boiler Room match after Paul Bearer turns on Taker. In the match, both Roberts and Mr. Aldo were barred from interfering. After the match, Roberts and Mr. Aldo comes out to celebrate with Mankind and their new manager, Paul Bearer.

    Angle: Things continue to go terrible for Taker with Roberts getting in Bearer's head to have him turn his back on Taker.

    In Your House 10

    IC Title Tournament Finals: Goldust def Marty Jannetty after interference from Jake Roberts and Mr. Aldo to become the new WWE IC Champion. Goldust aligns himself with Roberts and company.

    Shawn Michaels (c) vs Mankind w/Paul Bearer went to a no contest in a WWE World Title match after Jake Roberts, Mr. Aldo, and Goldust interfered for Mankind, and Marc Mero, Marty Jannetty, and HBK's buddy, Sycho Sid ran out to make the save, leading to a big brawl.

    Angle: Setting some things up for Survivor Series.

    In Your House 11

    Vader def Sycho Sid in a #1 Contender's Match after Goldust interfered.

    The Rockers def Jake Roberts and Mr. Aldo after HBK hit the super kick on Mr. Aldo.

    Angle: Setting up HBK/Vader II to allow Michaels to be busy for Survivor Series while adding more heat to the Survivor Series elimination match.

    Survivor Series 1996

    Team Darkside (Sycho Sid, Marty Jannetty, Marc Mero, and The Undertaker) def Team Bearer (Mankind, Jake Roberts, Mr. Aldo, and Goldust) in a Survivor Series elimination match. Taker, debuting a new look, is the sole Survivor after Mankind is DQ'd for hitting Taker with a chair and causing Jake Roberts to be counted out by running away. Also in the match, Sycho Sid eliminated IC Champion, Goldust.

    Angle: Further build-up to the Goldust/Sid IC Title match. Nearing the end of the Roberts/Taker program.

    In Your House 12

    Mankind w/Paul Bearer def Bret Hart in a #1 Contender's match

    The Wild Flyers ( ) def Jake Roberts/Mr. Aldo, Owen Hart/British Bulldogs (c), and The Godwinns to win the WWE Tag Titles. Roberts left the match when a fight broke out between he and The Undertaker.

    Sycho Sid def Goldust (c) via DQ after interference from Mr. Aldo in an IC Title match.

    Angle: Sid/Goldust gets more build and we get the final bits of build for the last Taker/Roberts match.

    Royal Rumble 1997

    The Undertaker def Jake Roberts in a Last Man Standing match after the returning Bob Holly prevents Roberts from throwing a fireball at Taker. Taker wins cleanly with a Tombstone.

    Sycho Sid def Goldust (c) to win the WWE IC Title

    Mankind w/Paul Bearer def Shawn Michaels (c) to win the WWE World Title

    The Undertaker wins the Royal Rumble match, last eliminating Vader. Jake Roberts was supposed to be an entrant, but was forced to miss the match due to the Last Man Standing match. Bob Holly took his place.

    Angle: Sid wins the IC Title to add a new chapter to the Goldust program, Taker officially wins the Jake Roberts program, Bob Holly returns to kick off Roberts' send off, and Wrestlemania main event is unofficially set up.

    In Your House 13

    Mankind (c) def Vader to retain the WWE World Title

    The Undertaker def Mr. Aldo in a squash.

    Bob Holly def Jake Roberts in a No DQ match after DDT'ing Roberts on the exposed floor. Roberts gets stretchered just as Holly was one year earlier.

    Angle: Jake Roberts is officially done with the WWE.

    Wrestlemania 13

    The Undertaker def Mankind (c) w/Paul Bearer to win the WWE World Title in a match where Mr. Aldo is given the Tombstone through a table, killing him off, and Taker finally pins Mankind.

    Sycho Sid (c) def Goldust to retain the WWE IC Title in some sort of gimmick match.

    Angle: Just wrapping a couple of things up. With their wins, Taker and Sid officially wins their feuds against Mankind and Goldust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kintaro View Post
    I've got another booking question. Year long booking for Lex Luger and Tatanka. SummerSlam 94. Let's just say Lex Luger beats Tatanka. Luger sells out and joins the Million Dollar Corporation.

    Book Luger's run in the MDC. However his last match in the WWE must be against The Undertaker at SummerSlam 95. It can either be a casket match, loser leaves WWE, up to you what type of match. This ends the year long rivalry between The Undertaker and The MDC.

    As for Tatanka, his heel run was a failure. It would be interesting to see how you continue to book him as a face up till SummerSlam 95.
    Before I get to the booking question, I want to address Tatanka's heel run. It wasn't a failure. He may have not have much direction, but he remained in the spotlight with going to the finals of the WWE Tag Tournament at Royal Rumble 1995 and even main eventing KOTR 1995. Sure, it lacked the proper push after a heel turn, but is it really any different from his babyface run? Tatanka was directionless throughout his entire WWE run. Let's break down the three main time periods of Tatanka's original run with the WWE:

    - Undefeated Babyface - Jan 1992 - October 1993 - I think this is where most believe Tatanka's heel run was a failure because in this time period, he remained undefeated. Yet, what did Tatanka really do in this undefeated streak? The only feud he had in 1992 was against Rick Martel, but the feud was pretty awkward in that it was de-emphasized in the summer since Martel was going to be booked against HBK at Summerslam. Then after doing absolutely nothing for a few months, he was given a month long feud against IC Champion HBK. He did pick up a couple of good wins over Michaels, but it was pretty pointless as the feud just ended at WM despite Tatanka not winning the IC Title nor was he pinned. After WM 9, Tatanka entered a feud against Bam Bam Bigelow, but despite the WWE practically promising a KOTR semi-finals match between the two, it didn't happen. Summerslam '93 came and they weren't given a singles match (instead a six man tag). And then the feud just ended. He didn't do anything for a couple of months before he was finally defeated by Ludvig Borga in a bit of a random match.

    - Defeated Babyface - December 1993 - Summerslam 1994 - You'd think that the Borga defeat would lead directly into some PPV matches between he and Tatanka, but thanks to a Borga injury, that didn't happen. Not that it mattered since Borga was mostly feuding with Lex Luger after Survivor Series. Instead, Tatanka gets to wrestle Bigelow at Royal Rumble, months after they had feuded. Near Wrestlemania, Tatanka entered a feud against IRS, but instead of seeing a singles match between the two, they're thrown in a ten men tag that ends up not even happening due to HBK/Razor going long. Again, rather than devote a PPV match with IRS and Tatanka at King of the Ring, Tatanka is thrown in a random match against Owen Hart in a losing effort despite the fact that IRS won his first round match against Mabel. Why didn't IRS just beat Tatanka? Then that led directly into the angle where DiBiase made it seem as if Lex Luger had betrayed his BFF and joined up with Tatanka's biggest rival heading into Summerslam.

    - Heel Tatanka - Summerslam 1994 - March 1996 - Tatanka would continue to feud with Lex Luger until just before Wrestlemania 11. This would include a Survivor Series elimination match and morphing into a tag feud with Davey Boy Smith and Bam Bam Bigelow. Rather than do the logical thing and wrap up the feud at Wrestlemania 11 with either the cage match between the two (Happened on March to Wrestlemania 11) or a tag match with IRS and Bulldog, Tatanka and Luger didn't do anything at WM. After Mania, Tatanka renewed his feud with Bigelow after Bam Bam left the Million Dollar Corporation. In typical WWE Tatanka fashion, they were not given a PPV singles match at In Your House 1, King of the Ring (Although it was a tag match) or Summerslam 95. It then seemed as if Tatanka got injured shortly after Summerslam, missing the rest of the year. Tatanka would return at Royal Rumble '96, but wouldn't be used in any programs until he left in March.

    So this is a guy who from beginning to end of his WWE career, had very questionable booking and so many obvious PPV matches that just never happened. Sure, his heel run didn't amount to much, but his babyface runs were just as directionless.
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    That's it for now. I have the beginning of the Luger booking figured out with a few surprises and what I consider a fun angle, but I still need to connect some things around WM 11 time.

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    Re: The Ask Jim Thread

    What's your favourite Bossman match?

    I just watched his cage match with Hogan from 3.18.89 Madison Square garden. Amazing. Better than the one at SNME. Check it out

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    Quote Originally Posted by indyfan View Post
    What's your favourite Bossman match?
    You can't go wrong with either the Hogan series from 1988-1989 or the Vader series from 1994. Checking my ratings for Boss Man and all of the top matches peak at *** 1/4 for both series of matches. If I had to name a single matches, I'll probably just go with the Hogan SNME match for it's fame and the iconic top of the cage bump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    You can't go wrong with either the Hogan series from 1988-1989 or the Vader series from 1994. Checking my ratings for Boss Man and all of the top matches peak at *** 1/4 for both series of matches. If I had to name a single matches, I'll probably just go with the Hogan SNME match for it's fame and the iconic top of the cage bump.
    I rated the cage match from March 18, 1989 4 stars. I loved it. Find it if you haven't seen it. I have never seen his stuff with vader but the match i mentioned is by far his best. Most of his stuff is around 3 to 3 1/2 imo until I watched the March match in New York.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indyfan View Post
    I rated the cage match from March 18, 1989 4 stars. I loved it. Find it if you haven't seen it. I have never seen his stuff with vader but the match i mentioned is by far his best. Most of his stuff is around 3 to 3 1/2 imo until I watched the March match in New York.
    I'm sure I've seen it before, I just don't have a rating. I'm pretty confident I have every 1989 televised house show burned on various discs.

    If you still have the WWE Network, check out Vader vs The Boss (Spring Stampede 1994) and Vader vs The Guardian Angel (Halloween Havoc 1994).

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    Re: The Ask Jim Thread

    Hey Jim, if Vince Russo didn’t leave the WWF and join wcw, how differently do you think things would have been in each company over the next year?

    Also, if vince had lost the war and went out of business with the wwf, when do you think it would most likely have happened and how do you think the business would have looked a full year after?

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    Also, give me your fantasy 5 man survivor series dream team, name and why you pick the 5.

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    Book Luger's run in the MDC. However his last match in the WWE must be against The Undertaker at SummerSlam 95. It can either be a casket match, loser leaves WWE, up to you what type of match. This ends the year long rivalry between The Undertaker and The MDC.

    As for Tatanka, his heel run was a failure. It would be interesting to see how you continue to book him as a face up till SummerSlam 95.
    It occurs to me that I practically had this all done for a month now without finishing it up and posting it.

    Post-Wrestlemania - Pre-Summerslam 1994

    Tatanka and IRS begins to feud at the start of 1994. Lex Luger fails to win the WWE Title at Wrestlemania 10 due to interference from Crush. Ted DiBiase returns to the WWE to announce the creation of a Million Dollar Corporation with IRS, Bam Bam Bigelow, and Nikolai Volkoff as his original members. Lex Luger and Crush begins a feud as a continuation of the Luger/Yoko 1993 feud. Buddies, Luger and Tatanka, once again find themselves on the same side as their rivalries begin to merge together. By King of the Ring time, Ted DiBiase makes the shocking claim that the newest member of the Million Dollar Corporation is Lex Luger. Luger denies it. Through a series of miscommunication, Luger accidentally hits Tatanka a few times, leading to Tatanka truly believing that Luger souled out. This series of programs continues with the Smoking Gunns, friends of both Luger and Tatanka, getting involved partially out of wanting to stop their friends from fighting, but also because they've been having problems with the Million Dollar Corporation's Bigelow and IRS. Finally, it's decided that the MDC and Crush will battle Luger, Tatanka, and The Smoking Gunns will battle in an eight man tag at Summerslam, to finally prove who is on whose side.

    Summerslam Fever 1994

    WWE Tag Titles
    The Headshrinkers (c) def The MDC (Bam Bam Bigelow and IRS)

    In an interview, Lex Luger brings up his family member's death and promises on their grave, that with a tear in his eye, he has not souled out.

    Angle: Putting Headshrinkers over to establish them as the top tag team at this point. The MDC are clearly going after the tag titles, but something seems flawed with the Bigelow/IRS version of the team. The interview will also lead a lot of viewers to suspect that Luger may be telling the truth.

    Summerslam 1994

    WWE Tag Titles
    The Headshrinkers (c) def The Heavenly Bodies w/Jim Cornette

    Eight Man Tag
    The MDC (Bam Bam Bigelow, IRS, and Nikolai Volkoff) and Crush def Lex Luger, Tatanka, and The Smoking Gunns

    In the match, Tatanka is attacked by the MDC, causing him to be helped to the back. The finale of the match sees the shocking scene of a face-in-peril Billy reaching to tag Luger, only for Luger to turn heel and drop from the apron, refusing the tag. As this is happening, Tatanka rushes out to the ringside and pulls Bart from the apron, hitting Bart, turning heel in the process as well. Since Luger and Tatanka were too busy turning on the individual members of the Smoking Gunns, they did not initially noticed what happened. Luger and Tatanka eventually realized what the other had done, putting the pieces together that they had both been shitbags and secretly made an alliance with DiBiase. A visual representation of what it'd look like when they realized the truth:

    Spoiler:



    The MDC with Luger and Tatanka all leave together with Tatanka and Luger celebrating their deceit.

    The Undertaker def The MDC's The Undertaker

    Angle: Tatanka and Luger both turn heel and join the MDC to officially kick off this assignment. Headshrinkers and the original Taker both go over to further build them up.

    Raw - Sept 1994

    In an interview with the MDC and their two newest members, Luger reveals that he did not, in fact, sell out, but rather bought in. He explains for an entire year, he's been someone he wasn't. He only began parading around in the colors of America because he knew it was the easiest way to con the stupid fans into demanding that Luger receive a World Title match. However, rather than it being a short con, he was screwed over by Yokozuna and Jim Cornette at Summerslam '93. That anger caused Luger to keep the con going on for far longer than it should have. Luger claims to be the best wrestler in the world, but somehow the grease ball, Bret Hart, was champion. Luger promises to win the WWE World Title thanks Ted DiBiase helping him be who he truly is. When asked why he souled out, Tatanka simply shrugs and uses the common expression of "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em" and that the money offer was too good to refuse. DiBiase then sets his sights on the first targets of the expanded MDC - The Undertaker, Bret Hart (WWE Title), The Headshrinkers (WWE Tag Titles), and Camp Cornette, as a personal favor to Luger, since he blames Cornette for Luger being screwed out of winning the WWE World Title.

    WWE Tag Titles
    The MDC (Tatanka and Bam Bam Bigelow) def The Headshrinkers (c) to win Tag Titles after Tatanka hits a Million Dollar Dream Slam

    Angle: Explaining the actions of Luger and Tatanka, setting up the big programs including the ultra rare heel faction vs heel faction, and to immediately reward Tatanka's heel turn with his first championship win.

    Raw - Sept 1994

    The Undertaker def Nikolai Volkoff. After the match, King Kong Bundy returns to the WWE and attacks Taker, joining the MDC in the process.

    Angle: Bundy being brought in by DiBiase to take care of the Undertaker problem.

    Survivor Series Showdown 1994

    WWE Tag Titles
    The MDC (Tatanka and Bam Bam Bigelow) (c) def The Smoking Gunns after Tatanka hits a Million Dollar Dream Slam

    Angle: Building up Tatanka's Million Dollar Dream Slam finisher as a move that wins all of their matches.

    Survivor Series 1994

    The MDC (Lex Luger, Tatanka, Bam Bam Bigelow, IRS) def Camp Cornette (Yokozuna, Crush, The Heavenly Bodies)

    Order of Eliminations:

    Tatanka pins Crush with a Million Dollar Dream Slam (Early on)
    Yokozuna is counted out after being hit with a Luger exposed forearm on the outside (Early on)
    Del Ray def IRS after the Heavenly Bodies hit the Veg-O-Matic
    Tatanka def Del Ray with the Million Dollar Dream Slam
    Luger def Prichard after Tatanka hits Prichard with a chair behind the ref's back

    Sole Survivors: Luger, Tatanka, Bigelow

    The Undertaker def The MDC's King Kong Bundy

    Angle: The MDC stands tall with Luger, Tatanka, and Bigelow, but there's some weak spots in the group with IRS and Bundy. The Heavenly Bodies impress by hanging in there for a long time despite the numbers disadvantage. Taker is still getting the best of the MDC.

    Raw - Dec 1994

    Camp Cornette (Crush and Heavenly Bodies) vs The MDC (King Kong Bundy, Tatanka, Lex Luger) w/IRS and Bigelow went to a no contest
    Heavenly Bodies turned/attacked Crush - Crush is injured and out of the WWE
    Tatanka and Luger turned/attack Bundy - Bundy becomes a face
    Bigelow turned/attacked IRS - IRS gets depushed into being lowcard heel

    Angle: Utter mayhem~! DiBiase, not one to stand behind members that fail, decide to turn his back on Bundy and IRS. Impressed by Heavenly Bodies' performance at Survivor Series, DiBiase offers them enough money to turn on Cornette and join the MDC. Give the episode of Raw a special name to refer back to like "The Poughkeepsie Betrayal". It also re-enforces the idea that DiBiase feels zero loyalty to his members. DiBiase only cares if you're successful.

    Royal Rumble 1995

    WWE Tag Titles
    The MDC (Tatanka and Bam Bam Bigelow) (c) def The New Headshrinkers with the Million Dollar Dream Slam

    The MDC's Lex Luger wins 30 man Royal Rumble. The final four saw Taker alone with the MDC's Luger and The Heavenly Bodies. As Taker was eliminating the Heavenly Bodies, Tatanka ran out and pulled at Taker's arm, allowing Luger to easily finish the job of tossing Taker out.

    Angle: Setting things up for Mania with Luger finally earning another title shot and the Tatanka/Taker program beginning.

    March to Wrestlemania 11

    The MDC (Tatanka and Bam Bam Bigelow) (c) def The Smoking Gunns after interference from The Heavenly Bodies. King Kong Bundy runs out to attack Bigelow.

    Angle: Giving The MDC a title defense since both tag champions are working singles matches at Mania. The Heavenly Bodies are clearly being used by DiBiase to help Bigelow/Tatanka remain champions. Setting up Bundy/Bigelow for Mania.

    Wrestlemania 11

    WWE World Title
    The MDC's Lex Luger def Bret Hart (c) to win WWE World Title

    The Undertaker def The MDC's Tatanka after Taker initially kicked out of the Million Dollar Dream Slam

    The MDC's The Heavenly Bodies def The Smoking Gunns in a #1 Contender's Match

    The MDC's Bam Bam Bigelow def King Kong Bundy

    Angle: Just some necessary matches to advance angles. Luger finally wins the World Title. Taker's defeat of Tatanka means he's finally ready to go back after the World Title. The Heavenly Bodies have the tag titles shot to give DiBiase even more control over the tag division. Bundy works his final match for the WWE.

    Raw - April 1995

    The Undertaker vs Bam Bam Bigelow in a match where if he won, DiBiase would grant Taker a WWE Title shot, went to a no contest as Sycho Sid returns to the WWE, attacking The Undertaker.

    The MDC (Tatanka and Bam Bam Bigelow) (c) vs The MDC's The Heavenly Bodies was booked on multiple editions of Raw, but The Heavenly Bodies kept making excuses for why they could not accept their title shot that week. Eventually, it's ruled that if The MDC does not accept their title shot at In Your House 1, they will forfeit their #1 contender's spot.

    Angle: Bringing in Sid as DiBiase's last attempt to keep Taker away from Luger. Forcing the Heavenly Bodies and The MDC to come to a head, even though DiBiase comforts Tatanka/Bigelow by promising that Heavenly Bodies will just lay down at the PPV.

    In Your House 1

    The Undertaker def Sycho Sid by DQ after Lex Luger interfered

    WWE Tag Titles
    The MDC's The Heavenly Bodies def The MDC (Tatanka and Bam Bam Bigelow) (c) to win Tag Titles after The Heavenly Bodies refused to just lay down for The MDC

    Angle: Adding heat to Taker/Luger. The Heavenly Bodies officially turn face by refusing to just let Tatanka/Bigelow beat them.

    Raw - May 1995

    It's announced that the winner of the 1995 King of the Ring will challenge for the WWE Title at Summerslam 1995.

    The MDC (Tatanka and Bam Bam Bigelow) def The Bushwhackers. After the match, The MDC attacks Raw's color commentator, Stan Lane. Subsequent Raws reveal the past between the Heavenly Bodies and Stan Lane. The Heavenly Bodies rule that if The MDC wants a tag titles shot, they have to win a six man tag match at King of the Ring featuring The Heavenly Bodies and the one night return of Lane vs The MDC and the one night return of Ted DiBiase.

    Angle: Setting up Taker's way to earn himself a title shot at Summerslam and the six man tag for King of the Ring.

    King of the Ring 1995

    WWE World Title
    Lex Luger (c) def Bret Hart to retain WWE World Title following interference from Sycho Sid.

    The Heavenly Bodies and Stan Lane def The MDC (Tatanka, Bam Bam Bigelow, and Ted DiBiase)

    KOTR Quarter-Finals: The Undertaker def Mabel
    KOTR Quarter-Finals: Jeff Jarrett def Razor Ramon
    KOTR Quarter-Finals: Owen Hart def The 1-2-3 Kid
    KOTR Quarter-Finals: Shawn Michaels vs The British Bulldog ends in a time limit draw

    KOTR Semi-Finals: The Undertaker def WWE IC Champion Jeff Jarrett
    KOTR Semi-Finals: Owen Hart advances thanks to a bye

    KOTR Finals: The Undertaker def Owen Hart to win the KOTR

    Angle: Luger/Bret officially ends, Taker earns his title shot at Summerslam by winning KOTR and only referring to the win by the new nickname of "The Lord of Darkness", and The Heavenly Bodies vs The MDC program seemingly ends.

    In Your House 2

    The MDC (Bam Bam Bigelow, Tatanka, and Lex Luger) def The Undertaker and The Smoking Gunns after Billy Gunn was pinned following interference from Sycho Sid. Bret Hart ran out to then battle Sid to the back to allow Taker to give the Tombstone to both Tatanka and Bigelow with Luger escaping before he could fall to the same fate.

    WWE Tag Titles
    The Heavenly Bodies (c) def The Blu Brothers
    ~The MDC (Tatanka and Bigelow) attack Heavenly Bodies after the match with ladders

    Angle: More heat for Taker/Luger. Building up to the real climax between The MDC and the Heavenly Bodies with the introduction of the ladders. Setting up Bret/Sid for Summerslam.

    Raw - August 1995

    Lex Luger (c) def IRS to retain the WWE World Title in an impromptu match where Luger offered IRS the title shot, but IRS had to put his WWE career on the line.

    Matches are officially made for Summerslam including Sid vs Bret, the first ever tag team ladders match with Bigelow and Tatanka vs The Heavenly Bodies, and stipulations assigned to Taker/Luger. Since Taker has had to deal with so much interference, every member of the MDC has been banned from ringside for the Title match at Summerslam. To get a proper winning and end this feud, the winner will get the title while the loser must leave the WWE.

    Angle: Luger adds heat to the Taker Summerslam match by proving he can force wrestlers out of the company with his defeat of IRS.

    Summerslam 1995

    WWE World Title
    Loser Leaves Town
    The Undertaker def Lex Luger (c) to win the WWE World Title. After the match, druids come out, pushing a casket to the ring. Luger is stuffed into the casket and pushed out of the WWE.

    WWE Tag Titles
    Ladder Match
    The Heavenly Bodies (c) def The MDC (Tatanka and Bam Bam Bigelow) to retain the Tag Titles

    Sycho Sid def Bret Hart

    Angle: Wrapping things up with the MDC self destructing with the exception of Sid, who will be Taker's first title program as we head into the fall.

    Pro Wrestling September 1995

    Lex Luger makes a surprise return to WCW on the first episode of Monday Nitro after it was previously believed that his Summerslam loss was part of an angle and that he'd return to TV in a few months as a babyface.

    Bam Bam Bigelow and Tatanka both asks for their release by the WWE on the night of Summerslam, seeing the writing on the wall, realizing that they will be depushed.

    Lex Luger, whose WWE contract had ran out while champion, is able to immediately work WCW's next PPV of Fall Brawl, leading to a feud between himself and Hulk Hogan/Randy Savage.

    Pro Wrestling October 1995

    The Giant def Hulk Hogan (c) to win the WCW World Title due to interference from Lex Luger. The title is then held up with a new champion being crowned at World War 3. (Halloween Havoc)

    Public Enemy def Raven/Stevie Richards (c) and The Gangstas to win the ECW Tag Titles. Bam Bam Bigelow and Tatanka attack the new champions in their surprise debut. (South Philly Jam)

    Pro Wrestling November 1995

    Public Enemy (c) def Bam Bam Bigelow and Tatanka to retain the ECW Tag Titles (November 2 Remember)

    Lex Luger wins the World War 3 battle royal to win the WCW World Title, last eliminating Randy Savage. Luger had been eliminated behind the ref's back, allowing for VK Wallstreet to rush out and toss Luger back in the ring, due to Wallstreet's frustration of two straight Nitro losses against Savage since his return to WCW. Savage was then attacked by the debuting Bam Bam Bigelow and 'War Eagle' Chris Chavis, beating Savage down to allow Luger to easily toss him out of the ring. Luger celebrates with the members of the new WCW faction - The Corporation (Luger, Bigelow, Chavis, and Wallstreet). (World War 3)

    Pro Wrestling December 1995

    Bam Bam Bigelow and Chris Chavis def Harlem Heat (c) and The Nasty Boys to win the WCW Tag Titles. (Starrcade)

    Pro Wrestling January 1996

    Public Enemy makes a surprise debut in WCW, attacking Chavis/Bigelow to set-up a tag titles match for Superbrawl VI. (Clash of the Champions)

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    Hey Jim, if Vince Russo didn’t leave the WWF and join wcw, how differently do you think things would have been in each company over the next year?
    With the WWE, probably not too difficult. Just more wacky like it was in 1999. Even with the likes of Benoit, Jericho, and Angle, the workrate probably wouldn't have been as high due to the talented workers being paired with gimmick matches that wouldn't benefit the matches. I could see Jeff Jarrett sticking around as well.

    WCW likely still would have been awful, but a more honest sort of awful. The big angle of WCW 2000 was the rise of the younger talent and the depush of the established. In reality, the push of the younger talent wasn't sincere. Look at Billy Kidman's "Push" against Hulk Hogan. Kidman wasn't made to look any better thanks to working with Hogan for a couple of months. I'd argue Vampiro lost his overness that he had at the start of 2000 before beginning a push against Sting. If there was one consistency about WCW, it's that it was never consistent. Various people would have been in control of booking, they would have been ousted, a new direction would begin with new bookers, before they'd be ousted too. Even had Russo remained in the WWE, I can't imagine WCW surviving any longer than they did in reality.

    Also, if vince had lost the war and went out of business with the wwf, when do you think it would most likely have happened and how do you think the business would have looked a full year after?
    An utter clusterfuck. WCW was never ran properly, so it's not as if the business would be smooth sailing with them. ECW likely would have gone under sooner than they had if WWE was in bad shape prior to dying out in March 2001. The decline in the popularity of wrestling would have been far quicker.

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    Also, give me your fantasy 5 man survivor series dream team, name and why you pick the 5.
    Just a random five man Survivor Series team using anyone in history without any other guidance? Idk...Andre the Giant, Rey Mysterio, Demolition, and Finn Balor all members sporting Demolition looking paint and gear. As for why, idk, it'd be fun to see them interact?

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    Hey Jim what are your thoughts on the Raven and Bagwell lawsuit about royalties as it pertains to the Network?

    Do you think that it's even plausible to set an amount of royalties based on a streaming service?

    Do you think it's fair that, if WWE goes the route of no more dvds/ blurays ( old wrestlers get royalties from this), to just streaming if it cuts out royalties checks for these guys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    Just a random five man Survivor Series team using anyone in history without any other guidance? Idk...Andre the Giant, Rey Mysterio, Demolition, and Finn Balor all members sporting Demolition looking paint and gear. As for why, idk, it'd be fun to see them interact?
    I can imagine Andre the Giant in the gimp suit. I know it't not what it is, but still funny image.
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