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    Re: Transfer Talk Thread

    Again sod Maguire at that price. West Ham want roughly £60m for Diop who has better resale value if he continues to progress...though i'd say no to that too. Pay the £25m and bring in Toby. Sure it's not a signing for the future but he's an upgrade on what we have and can help the younger guys develop. We shouldn't overspend on anyone after our recent transfer market blunders.
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    Dortmund not fucking bout this window.

    Hummels on his way back. Only 40 million too.


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    Still £40m is a lot for a 30 year old CB in my eyes. I really don't like all these stupidly inflated prices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deco90 View Post
    UNITED SET TO SIGN UP A SPANISH CREATIVE PLAYMAKER!

    ..Juan Mata, 31 years old, 3 year deal, 140k a week.

    We're doomed.

    Absolute shambles the state of the club at the moment.

    I'm praying this is to keep De Gea sweet but I think it's desperation that the struggle to get signings in is becoming very, very real.

    And I'm with you Baldrick, let's just sign Meunier for heavens sake.

    Hearing 80 Million and Pereira for Maguire? No thanks! Take Jones, take Rojo, not someone with potential if we actually played them. Plus that price should be enough and if not, forget it. Put our faith in Tuanzebe & Fosu-Mensah if we have too.
    Haha!

    I'll be honest I'm not against Mata signing a new deal, and while I'm surprised that it's for 3 years, £140,000 a week isn't much in today's day and age of crazy wages, espceially when you consider Mata's quality. I'm sure that he could have and would have been offered more money had he gone to Barcelona for example. Interesting that he's turned down this chance to play for Barca though. Unlikely that he'll get that that chance again.
    I don't expect him to be a regular for us going forward, more of an experienced squad player for us. Plus you can't deny his quality playmaking or his set piece quality. Tying him down to 3 years also gives us the chance to make some money back from selling him down the line should we want to. Remember when we signed Nani to a new 4 or 5 year contract but then a couple of months later sent him out on loan and then eventuallu sold him?

    I'd also be in favor of signing Meunier over AWB at this point. You can just see where things are going with the price negotiations and it's inevitible that this transfer will go down to the wire and then we'll miss the deadline to get it over the line. It would just be typical of United in the Ed Woodward era.
    At least with Meunier we know he wants to leave PSG and PSG are willing to let him go for a decent price. It's a no brainer for me. Plus he's a suitable RB for Dalot to be understudy to.

    If that's what Leicester are asking for Maguire then we should absolutely forget it. They're valuing him at around £100m if that's what they want, which is absurd. We need to go back to Alderwireld I feel. We have players at the club that we can put alongside a proven player like him such as Bailly, Lindeloff, TFM and Tuanzebe. I thik even putting Jones or Smalling next to Alderwireld would improve them.

    Quote Originally Posted by RainShaker View Post
    Dortmund not fucking bout this window.

    Hummels on his way back. Only 40 million too.
    That's a surprise. He's only 30 so could have another couple of years at the top for sure. Great purchase for Dortmund.

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    Its not just his age. Its how he performed last year. Hummels didn't get dropped from the NT because he was having a brilliant club season. He was problematic for Bayern. Maybe Dortmund can do more tactically to account for his lack of pace, but.....

    So much juiciness in terms of rumors. PSG could let Neymar leave. Griezmann could end up at PSG and not Barcelona. Joao Felix to Madrid. Adrien Rabiot landing at Juventus on a free. Mauro Icardi trying to leave Inter by having his contract rescinded. Of course, most are rumors that won't lead to anything. Well, Rabiot will land SOMEWHERE.... and Juve seem the most likely, just given their efficiency with free signings.

    Apparently United have bid enough to make Palace interested but with the wrong structure on the deal.
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    Re: Transfer Talk Thread

    AWB may be more expensive than Meunier but AWB would improve our squad much more than Meunier would as he is much more defensively superior, he is younger, someone that has big potential and won't have trouble adapting to the league (hypothetically). Going for someone just because they are cheaper when they really aren't what we need isn't the way to go, in my opinion. As shown last year, we have defensive frailties just as much as offensively.

    As for Dortmund, bringing Hummels back is a good choice. You have that leadership and experience that comes with him. He is still a good player (from what I've seen recently).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Papa View Post
    So much juiciness in terms of rumors. PSG could let Neymar leave. Griezmann could end up at PSG and not Barcelona. Joao Felix to Madrid. Adrien Rabiot landing at Juventus on a free. Mauro Icardi trying to leave Inter by having his contract rescinded. Of course, most are rumors that won't lead to anything. Well, Rabiot will land SOMEWHERE.... and Juve seem the most likely, just given their efficiency with free signings.

    Apparently United have bid enough to make Palace interested but with the wrong structure on the deal.
    Would Barca really go back and take Neymar back though? He still wouldn't be the star there as Messi is still got it so yeah don't really see that one happening. Wonder if Pep would be interested in bringing him in haha as we all know the Sheikh's would spend the money to bring that kind of player in.

    Felix to Atletico would be a great move for him I think, though having to replace Griezmann is a tough task on it's own. The Icardi situation will surely depend on them getting Lukaku first....as for Rabiot he's been linked with so many teams, he'll probably end up at Bayern now
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    All these crazy figures I'm seeing flying around for Man Utd to sign anyone, and then Everton are signing Gomes for 22m (great signing) who would be an improvement in midfield for Utd and it's like why don't they cast the net out in their scouting. Premier league clubs are flush with money and don't need to sell, there is no way a West Ham defender should be costing that amount of money, move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baldrick View Post
    Would Barca really go back and take Neymar back though? He still wouldn't be the star there as Messi is still got it so yeah don't really see that one happening. Wonder if Pep would be interested in bringing him in haha as we all know the Sheikh's would spend the money to bring that kind of player in.

    Felix to Atletico would be a great move for him I think, though having to replace Griezmann is a tough task on it's own. The Icardi situation will surely depend on them getting Lukaku first....as for Rabiot he's been linked with so many teams, he'll probably end up at Bayern now
    It sounds like they are on-board for a return. Biggest driver seems to be Messi and Suarez wanting him back in the locker room, since they were good pals. The biggest barrier is probably just the frosty relationships between the two clubs. Rumor was that the Neymar deal came about over PSG not liking how Barcelona went about their business when pursuing PSG players in the couple of years prior.

    Felix would at least play at Atletico. Don't know if the Simone system is the ideal one for him to thrive, but going to City, Juventus, Barcelona, Madrid.... he won't play. He'll be a rotation option. So.... this does make some sense in that regard.

    Inter might not have a choice in the Icardi mess. He seems likely to leave after the absolute shit-show of a season between the club and his agent (aka wife) this past season. And if he's trying to get his contract legally terminated.... they might cut their losses and sell first.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed View Post
    All these crazy figures I'm seeing flying around for Man Utd to sign anyone, and then Everton are signing Gomes for 22m (great signing) who would be an improvement in midfield for Utd and it's like why don't they cast the net out in their scouting. Premier league clubs are flush with money and don't need to sell, there is no way a West Ham defender should be costing that amount of money, move on.
    Agree - its harder to entice clubs with money when they already have money. A 20m offer doesn't mean much to a club that's now amongst the thirty richest clubs in the world, just because its a Premier League club. And if West Ham doesn't think they can find another Diop for that amount.... the price goes up. Everton did good business there but they also went after an outcast player from Barcelona. One that was a weird buy for Barcelona from the beginning and who predictably never fit in. Its a smart player profile to target, but not the kind of player that biggest clubs tend to go after.

    United are suffering from much the same problem as Arsenal - lack of internal structure and expertise. They don't have a proper decision-making structure and it manifests itself in a lack of clear direction and decisiveness. Its not that they lack coaches who can identify what is needed, nor lack scouts who can find them. But its linking those things together in a clear manner and having an actual recruit plan. And the commercial monstrosity that United is also means that commercial interests are a factor. Which just complicates things further.

    I expect that Maguire isn't just about the player. Yes he is a good defender and he is English. But he's also probably England's most popular and well known central defender at this point, since it seems like the John Stones star has waned a bit. That has importance to any club. He wouldn't be a commercial whale for United the way a superstar player like Ronaldo or Messi is.... but he has at least value in that regard. Spending half the money on a player who is 85% as good is a smarter decision in basic financial terms, but it won't have the commercial impact, at least in the short term. Its not a massive increase to his price, but it does drive it up a bit further. The best bet United of having that deal materialize is the player causes a fuss, but that doesn't seem to be Maguire's way. United should definitely be looking at other defenders as a solution.... but again, structural problems at the club and commercial interests....
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    Re: Transfer Talk Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed View Post
    All these crazy figures I'm seeing flying around for Man Utd to sign anyone, and then Everton are signing Gomes for 22m (great signing) who would be an improvement in midfield for Utd and it's like why don't they cast the net out in their scouting. Premier league clubs are flush with money and don't need to sell, there is no way a West Ham defender should be costing that amount of money, move on.
    Which is exactly the point i'm making Ed. United need to get away from throwing cash at players and start being a lot smarter in the market again, which is why they should be appointing a DOF. I'm still amazed this hasn't happened, and now Fergie is sticking his nose in and mentioning names for the role haha. There is no way they should be spending silly money on PL based players when there are cheaper, better value and even better players out there.

    I can accept £15m on Daniel James as he has the potential there to grow and become a very good player. I would accept £25m for Meunier as he is a proven RB with lots of experience and again possibly has some sell on value if it doesn't work out. I can't however accept the inflated prices for English players or those based in the PL, it's getting ridiculous.

    I noticed Man Utd were looking at Hysaj at Napoli. No idea how much they'd want for him, but he's no doubt cheaper than AWB and also has the ability to play at LB too so that would be handy...an improvement on Young and Darmian anyway! Also heard the initial enquiry for Diop at West Ham included Phil Jones but West Ham wanted Martial haha, nice try there.

    Papa...Arsenal linked with Tierney from Celtic, could be a decent LB if the price is right, thoughts?
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    50m plus for a player who isn't clearly one of the best in the world seems insane.... but that's the market now. Thanks Manchester City

    I would LOVE Tierny at Arsenal. Can't claim I've watched him much but he seems well regarded and LB is a problem. Monreal is losing his legs to the point where he's better as a central defender, and Kolasinac is... a weird player. He's very much like Xhaka - can be incredibly effective when used in very specific ways, but limited in so many other ways. His pass competition percentage in some matches was laughable and we were over-reliant on the Kolasin-Lap attacking technique. So Tierny could be a strong addition. My main concern is that his cost would eat up a sizable chunk of our purported transfer budget, and we don't seem to be moving any players out.
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    Tierney is going nowhere unless Arsenal put in a ridiculous bid. Dont see it happening given how injury prone he is at the minute.

    Then again, Arsenal took Kallstrom a while back when he had issues so.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RainShaker View Post
    Tierney is going nowhere unless Arsenal put in a ridiculous bid. Dont see it happening given how injury prone he is at the minute.

    Then again, Arsenal took Kallstrom a while back when he had issues so.
    We also paid $4m to loan a 40% fit Denis Suarez, who gave us like 22 good minutes of indifferent and ineffectual football, so we definitely haven't learned from the Kallstrom maelstrom.
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    The Icardi mess is so funny. I've heard reports that he's not willing to leave Inter even though Conte clearly doesn't want him. There's reports that he'll run down his contract, or sue them and get it terminated. It's such a shit show.

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    Re: Transfer Talk Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Shock View Post
    The Icardi mess is so funny. I've heard reports that he's not willing to leave Inter even though Conte clearly doesn't want him. There's reports that he'll run down his contract, or sue them and get it terminated. It's such a shit show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RainShaker View Post
    Tierney is going nowhere unless Arsenal put in a ridiculous bid. Dont see it happening given how injury prone he is at the minute.
    Wasn't there talk of him going to Lyon? He's not going to Arsenal, though. If the rumoured bid from Arsenal is in excess of £20m for anyone, it's probably not happening. A CM, CB, Winger and backup keeper for less than £45m is an impossible job. Any sales that bring money in are probably going to have to be replaced as well, so it's not like player sales will help that much. Can't believe they have that little when the likes of Everton and West Ham are probably going to spend twice that without blinking.

    Anyway, some of my thoughts on the rumours and stuff going around...

    Wan Bissaka for £50m is... interesting. I know fees are inflated, but it's easy to forget he's only had one season of top flight football. This time last year no-one had heard of him. He was outstanding last year, and there's every chance he'll stay at this level going forward, but I still remember a time when Phil Jones was being touted as the next big thing after a season at Blackburn. Meunier for half the price as competition for the decent Dalot seems to make more sense, but I guess that's not the culture they're trying to build.

    Neymar isn't going anywhere this summer. There's only two possible destinations for him, and both have spent in excess of €100 on a talismanic attacker in their prime. Money isn't infinite, especially when it's doubling up on a player with a load of obvious baggage.

    Maguire won't leave either. That asking price is a deterrent, not a request. He's just not worth that amount, and everyone involved in it knows that. I think it's more papers/websites knowing that Maguire is money from a clickbait perspective. Hopefully Leicester keep their team together, because I fancy them for a top 6 finish next year.

    Pogba I'm not sure on, but I can imagine him staying at United for another year, under the agreement that they'll accept an offer from Real next summer (when they haven't spent €350m on players already). Regardless of how toxic he is, Man Utd are operated with commercialism that the heart of their decisions now, and he's the commercially most valuable player they have. If they want to sell an image of United being "elite", they can't be in the Europa League and without Pogba or De Gea. Especially if Lukaku goes to Inter as expected. Otherwise their biggest names are... what? Rashford and... Luke Shaw? I might not like it, you might not like it, but that's absolutely the way they will view it.

    There's an interesting thing going on in the transfer market at the moment. Look at the amount of 25-30 year old, high-paid, high valued, "star name" attack minded players that their clubs actively don't want anymore. Neymar. Bale. James Rodriguez. Alexis Sanchez. Coutinho. Icardi. Dembele. Isco. Dybala. Douglas Costa. Rakitic. Perisic. Malcom. They're basically a logjam in the system in that a load of the big rumours of moves are dependent on these guys getting sold, but there isn't a huge market for them. The problem with inflated fees and the creation of super clubs is that they kind of have to almost exclusively sell to each other, but that's a small pocket of available destinations (especially when you add in the untold amount of talented players who aren't actively for sale, like Joao Felix or Eden Hazard). I don't think the inflated values are going to change (people have expected that bubble to burst for at least 25 years and it's 100 times worse now) but I do wonder if teams are going to be more careful when spending 80m+ and 400k a week wages for fear of them not working out and having them stuck on their payroll and no place to sell them.

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    Best one I've heard today is Man Utd going for Auba if Lukaku leaves haha, want to play the game Papa?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baldrick View Post
    Best one I've heard today is Man Utd going for Auba if Lukaku leaves haha, want to play the game Papa?
    Ugh nah.

    The Gunner-verse has been buzzing about Auba and Laca for a couple of weeks now. Ever since there were rumors about Barcelona wanting Lacazette and a Chinese club wiling to offer Auba like 500K per week, its been a talking point. I don't think any Gooners want to either leave. They are honestly the best thing about the squad at this point. But we are freaking out about having no money to spend and the pair are our most sellable assets. So the logic people are twisting themselves into is that selling one of them for like 80m hurts but that allows for reinvestment of that money and the squad renewal we obviously need. However, that logic is predicated on us being able to reinvest the money we get (no guarantee with our owner) and that we reinvest it effectively (also no guarantee with our current transfer setup). So I'm pretty against it. If Auba was going to stay in the Prem instead of going off elsewhere in the globe, I am doubly against it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Papa View Post
    Ugh nah.

    The Gunner-verse has been buzzing about Auba and Laca for a couple of weeks now. Ever since there were rumors about Barcelona wanting Lacazette and a Chinese club wiling to offer Auba like 500K per week, its been a talking point. I don't think any Gooners want to either leave. They are honestly the best thing about the squad at this point. But we are freaking out about having no money to spend and the pair are our most sellable assets. So the logic people are twisting themselves into is that selling one of them for like 80m hurts but that allows for reinvestment of that money and the squad renewal we obviously need. However, that logic is predicated on us being able to reinvest the money we get (no guarantee with our owner) and that we reinvest it effectively (also no guarantee with our current transfer setup). So I'm pretty against it. If Auba was going to stay in the Prem instead of going off elsewhere in the globe, I am doubly against it.
    Especially after RVP made the move to great effect, and he can't be another Alexis! Though i'd throw Alexis into any potential Auba deal...not that it would ever happen mind. Reported figure was £70m for Auba, then again we know Man Utd have been linked with about every decent player that could potentially be available for transfer this window.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baldrick View Post
    Especially after RVP made the move to great effect, and he can't be another Alexis! Though i'd throw Alexis into any potential Auba deal...not that it would ever happen mind. Reported figure was £70m for Auba, then again we know Man Utd have been linked with about every decent player that could potentially be available for transfer this window.
    You guys seems to be getting the treatment we used to with links to every player everywhere.

    Auba would delight and frustrate you. I've never seen a player so inept at scoring the simplest of goals and so dedicated to scoring the difficult ones. His goal total is always impressive but his strike rate is weird. Going back to Dortmund, he's always been that way. He's pretty versatile on the pitch. And for Dortmund wanting to be rid of him partly because he was "problematic" in the locker room, he's been an absolute glue player for our squad.

    Concern with Auba is his age. His pace is a significant asset, so its hard to know how he will function when he doesn't have that, assuming he does start to lose it within the next couple of seasons.

    You guys would probably get similar impact and production out of Auba as you did out of RVP, but also probably a similar duration. And if the rest of your squad isn't up to what it was then... probably not a title.

    I'm not into the idea of selling either Auba or Laca.... but I'm also past the point of crying over a player. So if the club wants to sell and the player wants to go and the deal is good....
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