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    World Titles Changes *spoilers*

    2011: Dolph Ziggler wins World Title and loses the same day to Edge
    2010: Edge wins WWE Title and loses the same day to Batista
    2009: Jeff Hardy wins the World Title and loses the same day to CM Punk
    2007: Randy Orton wins the World Title and loses the same day to Triple H. Triple H also loses the same day to Randy Orton.

    World Titles are treated appallingly in WWE. People winning titles and then losing them the same day was once a surprising booking tactic which, when done correctly, worked amazingly. Now, in four of the last five years, WWE have done this for a World Title change. More worryingly, is the amount of short reigns people have been given. Jeff Hardy, a 3 time world champion in WWE, only had 8 months between all three title reigns.

    Since January 2008, there have been 9 WWE Championship reigns that have lasted less than 2 months and 17 World Title reigns that have lasted less than 2 months.

    Edge, in 2006 won his first World Title, and now in 2011 is an 11 time world champion just 5 years later. If Edge loses his world title this sunday, or at Wrestlemania, it will mean that 8 of his title reigns would have lasted less than 2 months. Only 1 of his reigns lasted more than 3 months (3 months and a week to be precise). Suddenly, being an 11 time world champion doesn't seem quite as impressive.

    Put simply, and it's a topic that's been done to death, but World Titles have been shuffled around so much. They barely even matter. Why should I care that Miz is WWE Champion if any midcard act like Swagger and Ziggler can get it? Why should I care that Edge is World Champion if it's just going to shuffle between him and someone else for a few months?

    If Del Rio wins the World Title at Wrestlemania, how can it possibly feel special, when in the past year, three guys, Ziggler, Swagger and Miz, all became World Champions for the first time. It doesn't feel like anything special to win your first world title again.

    Thoughts on this? I know it's been done to death lately, but WWE are still throwing Championship reigns everywhere.





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    Re: World Titles Changes *spoilers*

    I really wish that the world title wouldn't be used for gimmicky angles like Dolph Ziggler being champ or a handful of minutes. I also wish that people wouldn't be given the world titles if the company doesn't have the confidence in them to book them decently and give them a fair crack of the whip - it's getting old to see nearly every heel world champion looking like they don't belong with the belt at all.

    I'm a fan of the brand split, I think the fact that there are two world champions leads the writers to believe that they can play fast and loose with the integrity of the belts. They also think they can do a 'trial world title' run to see whether a guy fits in the main event - as someone who's fairly old school, this idea is pretty horrific to me. I sometimes think it would be best to revert to one world title, and have the US and Intercontinental titles have the same level of importance as over a decade ago. Then I'd bring a tertiary title in for the gap below US and IC that this creates. If they wanted to try out Swagger as champ for instance, they'd give him a long intercontinental reign that would involve main eventing TV shows, and hell, maybe even the occasional lesser PPV, defending the title. You see how they work main eventing without having to put the main title on them. Tags would be a good way of doing this too, if they were pushed up the card.

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    Re: World Titles Changes *spoilers*

    I think one world title is good for the WWE at this point, hopefully going back to the "Undisputed Championship" back in 2002. (Although, the fact that wrestlers fight for the title doesn't really deem it as Undisputed...anyway...) Having this champ show up at both shows can raise the prestige and value of the title and the champion himself. Anyway, if Del Rio wins the title at Wrestlemania, I want him to hold it until December or next year if he's got the skills for it. If not him, then someone else. I want a nice, long traditional reign where the champion faces many opponents. Then, when the time is right, the title can be handed to someone else. Remember when the internet marked out after Edge ended Cena's long reign?

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    Re: World Titles Changes *spoilers*

    Quote Originally Posted by Limbo View Post
    I think one world title is good for the WWE at this point, hopefully going back to the "Undisputed Championship" back in 2002. (Although, the fact that wrestlers fight for the title doesn't really deem it as Undisputed...anyway...)
    An undisputed world champion does not mean that his position as world champ is not disputed for; it means that he has gained all the world championships deemed 'major', so his position as champion of the world is undisputed. With the ECW championship finished, when Jericho had the WCW and WWF titles together, he became undisputed champ because there was no other world belt arguably of that prestige, other than the NWA one perhaps, but even that was out because it was held up until December the 15th, days after Jericho legitimately became the first undisputed champ in decades.

    To-day, with TNA, ROH and NWA all having undisputed championships, you couldn't have a legitimate WWE Undisputed Champion.

    That being said, I agree with much of your post. Longer reigns mean that fans can often get worked up more; and also, when the current champ loses the belt, it feels like much more of a bigger deal.

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    Of course you can have an Undisputed Championship. All it means is that it's no longer disputed. For awhile, Randy Savage was called the WWE Undisputed World Champion back in '88 because the title was disputed. Claiming a title is Undisputed just depends on if you can find cause that they're not legitimately the Champion. Whether it's more than one World Champion (Which frankly, they have no reason to recognize any other World titles in wrestling these days, it's not like they did in pre-2001) or if there was a controversial title defense.

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    Re: World Titles Changes *spoilers*

    Ziggler is any midcard act? He was ELEVATED as an UPPER Mid-Carder and actually was built up right. Same with Miz you could say.

    But you are right about titles changing hands. Cena won the title and then Batista came out. Not Edge.

    It'll be special for me when Del Rio wins it. It's gonna be awesome. Here is a guy who won the Rumble and was built up to death. Terrific charisma and terrific in ring skills. And yeah he better have a long ass reign too when he finally wins at Wrestlemania and should Edge retain, then what was the point of building him up all this time?

    Cena was stale after awhile, yes. But I could handle a long term Del Rio reign myself.

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    Re: World Titles Changes *spoilers*

    As long as it doesn't get to a point like 2000-Death WCW where the World title was changing hands every week then I'm fine. But I do think they should go back to one world title.

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    Re: World Titles Changes *spoilers*

    Quote Originally Posted by TheShockmaster View Post
    2011: Dolph Ziggler wins World Title and loses the same day to Edge
    2010: Edge wins WWE Title and loses the same day to Batista
    2009: Jeff Hardy wins the World Title and loses the same day to CM Punk
    2007: Randy Orton wins the World Title and loses the same day to Triple H. Triple H also loses the same day to Randy Orton.

    World Titles are treated appallingly in WWE. People winning titles and then losing them the same day was once a surprising booking tactic which, when done correctly, worked amazingly. Now, in four of the last five years, WWE have done this for a World Title change. More worryingly, is the amount of short reigns people have been given. Jeff Hardy, a 3 time world champion in WWE, only had 8 months between all three title reigns.

    Since January 2008, there have been 9 WWE Championship reigns that have lasted less than 2 months and 17 World Title reigns that have lasted less than 2 months.

    Edge, in 2006 won his first World Title, and now in 2011 is an 11 time world champion just 5 years later. If Edge loses his world title this sunday, or at Wrestlemania, it will mean that 8 of his title reigns would have lasted less than 2 months. Only 1 of his reigns lasted more than 3 months (3 months and a week to be precise). Suddenly, being an 11 time world champion doesn't seem quite as impressive.

    Put simply, and it's a topic that's been done to death, but World Titles have been shuffled around so much. They barely even matter. Why should I care that Miz is WWE Champion if any midcard act like Swagger and Ziggler can get it? Why should I care that Edge is World Champion if it's just going to shuffle between him and someone else for a few months?

    If Del Rio wins the World Title at Wrestlemania, how can it possibly feel special, when in the past year, three guys, Ziggler, Swagger and Miz, all became World Champions for the first time. It doesn't feel like anything special to win your first world title again.

    Thoughts on this? I know it's been done to death lately, but WWE are still throwing Championship reigns everywhere.
    Think you forgot one, Cena winning it at Elimination Chamber and losing it to Batista that same night. But def get the idea, this is horrible to see happen so regularly. Takes away from the overness of the person holding it so shortly and takes away from the prestige of the title.

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    Re: World Titles Changes *spoilers*

    Quote Originally Posted by The Apprentice View Post
    Think you forgot one, Cena winning it at Elimination Chamber and losing it to Batista that same night. But def get the idea, this is horrible to see happen so regularly. Takes away from the overness of the person holding it so shortly and takes away from the prestige of the title.
    He mentioned it but he accidentally put Edge.

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    Re: World Titles Changes *spoilers*

    Well its like when Triple H won the world title about 5x in 2 years.

    It has a bit been more common as of late but its not reallly a bad thing. They do it for all titles except for the U.S and Intercontinental Title.

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    Re: World Titles Changes *spoilers*

    I did of course mean Cena winning and losing the same night to Batista. I said Edge because Edge has had so many shitty short reigns. It's easy to get title reigns mixed up.
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    Re: World Titles Changes *spoilers*

    I like the idea of having 1 world title, and having a tertiary title wouldn't be such a bad idea either. That would elevate the prestige of the Intercontinental and US titles, giving them more meaning, and putting them back on the level they should be on.
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    Re: World Titles Changes *spoilers*

    At No Way Out 2009, Edge lost the WWE title and won the World Heavyweight title. Slightly different to your examples but along the same sort of lines, as it shows how disposable the belts are. I always meant to ask about that match though...did the General Manager not say, "Hold on there son, you were never signed up to this match and you had no right to be in that chamber pod, I'm stripping you of your title? I ca't remember if it was Vickie Guerrero in charge back then or Teddy Long, I guess if it was Vickie it makes sense that he got away with it.

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