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    Re: Managerial Comings & Goings

    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy Thunder View Post

    I'd also like to add that Giggs has admitted to breaking down in tears when his 4 games as caretaker finished as well as not being able to sleep during it due to the pressure of it all. So I'm not sure it's as much self-entitlement of wanting a big job as people are suggesting. Giggs is an easy target to paint because of his stature in the game in that respect.
    He is an easy target because he is entitled, in his own head, and generally easy to dislike anyway.

    Also, I don't really know If I would want a manager who breaks down in tears and can't sleep because of the stress, sounds like he doesn't have the head for it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshall View Post
    He is an easy target because he is entitled, in his own head, and generally easy to dislike anyway.

    Also, I don't really know If I would want a manager who breaks down in tears and can't sleep because of the stress, sounds like he doesn't have the head for it.
    I'm not getting the entitled thing at all from him, he's always seemed very humble to me. I think that's all a made up image that anti-united/anti-Giggs people have conjured up which is sad.

    Should keep in mind that that was before he spent 2 years as an assistant so I'm sure he's got his head wrapped around it much better now.

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    Re: Managerial Comings & Goings

    The longer he stays out of the game in a managerial capacity while claiming he wants a job, the more he will be seen as entitled and not cut out for the job.

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    Plus he can't do worse than Gary Neville in Valencia....
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    Think a part of the growing negativity toward Giggs isn't necessarily his fault. Its his cheering section among the football pundits in England who seem to have rallied around him as some sort of personal goal of getting him a job in the Premiership as their personal challenge. Combine that with the false claims of "foreign managers" blocking young British managers from getting jobs in the Premier League and its punditry at its worst.

    I dislike the fact that Giggs doesn't seem to be taking the managerial process seriously. If he wants a big job, having spent some time as an assistant manager isn't the be all and end all. If he is serious, there are a load of things he could be doing to gain experience, whether its managing at a lower level, managing at youth level, working with a national team as some form of assistant.... There are options. Managing is much like playing - you get better by doing it. By just sitting and waiting, it comes across as entitled rather than serious about the profession.

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    Re: Managerial Comings & Goings

    Mark Hughes did very well for Stoke but this season the results were poor. It's been on the cards for a while now so he had to go. I wonder who his replacement will be?

    Southampton's manager could be the next to go. Southampton are in free fall. Seriously didn't realise they're near the relegation zone.



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    The fans wanted Mark Hughes out for over a year now. Went to Leicester for the Stoke game last season and they wanted him out then. So it was inevitable.
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    Re: Managerial Comings & Goings

    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy Thunder View Post

    My only concern with Bellamy is that he has zero experience, less than Giggs even. I'm not sure why many are complaining that Giggs wants the job, citing his lack of experience and entitlement, but seem to have no problem with Bellamy taking the job outright. Seems strange to me. Bellamy being assistant to Hughes for a couple of years before taking over would be good though.
    No, No, No... Not Hughes, we don't need to go back to that.

    The reason many Welsh fans are against Giggs becoming manager is mainly down to the fact he hardly played friendlies when he was available. Some fans view this as a lack of loyalty to his country (not a view I share), and thus feel that he turned his back on our country during the years we weren't so good, but is happy to jump on the bandwagon now we've built something and qualified for a tournament.

    If it's Giggs or Bellamy that get the job then I hope to God that Osian Roberts is there to guide them and be a part of the first team set up, if not the no1 himself. He has played a major part in getting us to where we are now. From what i've read the job is between Giggs, Bellamy and Roberts - however I wouldn't be suprised if Carl Robinson comes out of nowhere as a dark horse to get the job.

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    Robinson is a dark horse indeed. As for Osian...yeah he's done very well as an "assistant" or "goto man" for Coleman...but is he really suitable? I know he's done something like 7 years managing at Porthmadog...but that's pretty much pub level.
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    Re: Managerial Comings & Goings

    Quote Originally Posted by Baldrick View Post
    Robinson is a dark horse indeed. As for Osian...yeah he's done very well as an "assistant" or "goto man" for Coleman...but is he really suitable? I know he's done something like 7 years managing at Porthmadog...but that's pretty much pub level.
    He's the defacto FAW technical director - I'd prefer him in that role as a mentor/no 2 than the main guy. However, he's done more than Giggs and Bellamy to deserve a crack as the manager. At least we'd have some continuity.

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    Valid points gents, valid points indeed.

    I think Hughes would be a good choice for the short term at least Phantom. He did well last time he was in the role and was very unfortunate not to qualify for a tournament. I was there for the Euro 2004 play off vs Russia. The 0-1 loss at home was a real kick in the balls after doing well to get a 0-0 in the away first leg. But I don't blame Hughes for that failure at all.

    I'm not convinced Osian Roberts would do well as #1. He's a fantastic assistant but as Baldrick points out, he has virtually no experience as a manager and good assistants don't always translate to being good managers. Look at Steve McClaren and Carlos Queiroz as two examples. Both were excellent assistants to Alex Ferguson but neither have gone on to be what I count as great managers.
    I too very much hope Roberts stays on the coaching team if he doesn't end up getting the job though.

    I see what you're saying about Giggs Phantom, but I think a lot of that criticism towards him is very much unwarranted. You listen to Giggs talking about Wales or read what he's said about Wales throughout his career and he comes across to me as a very proud patriot. Remember; he could have chosen to play for England, but he didn't. When his chance to chose a country came along when Wales were at a very low point and England was a much more attractive national team to play for. "I'd rather not play international football than play for a country that isn't mine".
    His peak years in football were littered and interrupted by a host of injury problems (mainly his knees and hamstrings) and it unfortunately wasn't until he was into his 30's those problems went away. A time when his international career was coming to an end. I also think that the influence of Alex Ferguson played a large part in him missing friendlies where he could have played. He could have stood up to him and said "No, I'm playing." but we all know that people who stand up to Fergie rarely come out the other side unscathed. Call it intimidation or loyalty or whatever, but I think that played a big part as Fergie was notorious for not allowing players to represent their country in games that he deemed not important.

    I don't know much about how Carl Robinson has been doing as a coach/manager since hanging up his boots. After a quick search of his record since he took over the Vancouver Whitecaps his record looks pretty average to me. Won 64, drawn 43 and lost 61 for a 38% win rate. Doesn't scream outstanding. But then again, Coleman's track record as manager was fairly average (outside a great first season at Fulham) until he took over the Wales job so who knows.

    End of the day I'll back whoever gets the job, no matter what I think of them. Everyone deserves a chance at least and it is our country after all. If

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    Re: Managerial Comings & Goings

    So Giggs has been interviewed for the Wales job. It's not clear who else they might interview at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy Thunder View Post
    So Giggs has been interviewed for the Wales job. It's not clear who else they might interview at this point.
    Bellamy, Roberts and Mark Bowen of all people were also interviewed. Giggs is still favourite with the bookies.
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    Re: Managerial Comings & Goings

    Bellamy!

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    Re: Managerial Comings & Goings

    Looks like a case of just getting someone Welsh into the job.


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    Re: Managerial Comings & Goings

    I'd go with Mark Hughes tbh with Giggs as Assistant. Few years under Hughes/learning the ropes etc then he can step in.

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    Us wanting Michael O'Neill is fantastic news and would be an incredible appointment, made even better by the fact that Wales are torn between Craig Bellamy and Ryan Giggs for their boss

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shock View Post
    Us wanting Michael O'Neill is fantastic news and would be an incredible appointment, made even better by the fact that Wales are torn between Craig Bellamy and Ryan Giggs for their boss
    Behave yourself ....at least Northern Ireland have some talented players...you got errr Tierney and whooo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baldrick View Post
    Behave yourself ....at least Northern Ireland have some talented players...you got errr Tierney and whooo?
    We have a perfectly average team, thank you very much. At least as average as Northern Ireland and ROI. Plus it's a young squad that will only get better. We nearly made the playoffs in spite of our shitty manager and selection. O'Neill would be the first good manager we've had in a decade.

    Good luck with Giggs, maybe he'll actually turn up to international games now

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    Paul Paton, Kyle Lafferty, Lee Hodson, Aaron Hughes, Alan Mannus... all top quality talent Shock mate

    edit: forgot Josh Magennis as well.
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