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    Bryan Danielson vs The World: Kurt Angle



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    Dragon or Angle, who is superior?

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    Re: Bryan Danielson vs The World: Kurt Angle

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    Re: Bryan Danielson vs The World: Kurt Angle

    I don't know about this. Angle had been consistantly great for about 6 years in a row (2000-06) but then went downhill. He still put out a few quality matches last year but overall he is pretty average and all his matches are really, really formulaic. Dragon has also been consistantly great for 6 years (2002-2008) and also had a bunch of good matches before then, just on a much smaller-harder-to-find scale.

    Angle in his prime was one of those guys who could carry a dead horse to a good match, but he is certainly past that, and Danielson is still at that stage. I'd say currently Danielson is far and away the better wrestler, but as far as their overall careers go they are pretty tied, but Danielson may not have even reached his peak yet and still has potentially years left of greatness in him whereas Angle hasn't.

    I havent voted yet, but I'm leaning towards Danielson at the moment unless one of the trolls or blind marks who voted without reasoning can sway me otherwise.

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    Re: Bryan Danielson vs The World: Kurt Angle

    What has Danielson, how many World titles has he held?

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    Re: Bryan Danielson vs The World: Kurt Angle

    What do booked accomplishments have to do with wrestling ability?

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    Re: Bryan Danielson vs The World: Kurt Angle

    Depends on wheater or not you count the ROH title as a world title. Last i checked, only Raw, Smackdown and TNA are recognized as world titles in America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    What has Danielson, how many World titles has he held?
    He's held one. However, he held the title for 462 days. Kurt Angle's combined World title lengths in the WWE is only 379 days (Something like 6-7 title reigns?) If you count Kurt's TNA title with his WWE's, it's 678 days.

    Title wise, I'd give the advantage to Danielson. Having one extremely long title reign looks a lot better than having nearly double digit short reigns.

    I'm going to think about this one though.

    Quote Originally Posted by God View Post
    Depends on wheater or not you count the ROH title as a world title. Last i checked, only Raw, Smackdown and TNA are recognized as world titles in America.
    ROH's title is a World Title. Unlike the WWE, it gets defended across the globe against that nation's stars. The WWE title is pretty much just a North American title. No matter what country they go to, it's always WWE guy vs WWE guy.

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    Re: Bryan Danielson vs The World: Kurt Angle

    PWI is widely considered the authority on World titles and

    Pro Wrestling Illustrated has granted world title status to the following promotions: National Wrestling Alliance, World Wrestling Entertainment (and its previous names), Total Nonstop Action Wrestling, American Wrestling Association, Extreme Championship Wrestling, World Championship Wrestling.
    The dont recognize ROH as a world title.
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    Re: Bryan Danielson vs The World: Kurt Angle

    PWI as in the kayfabe magazine?

    He's held one. However, he held the title for 462 days. Kurt Angle's combined World title lengths in the WWE is only 379 days (Something like 6-7 title reigns?) If you count Kurt's TNA title with his WWE's, it's 678 days.

    Title wise, I'd give the advantage to Danielson. Having one extremely long title reign looks a lot better than having nearly double digit short reigns.

    I'm going to think about this one though.
    Let's not forget that Danielson's title reign was also arguably title reign of the decade.

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    Re: Bryan Danielson vs The World: Kurt Angle

    I find it hard to take PWI seriously if they'd consider the new ECW's title a world title, yet forget about ROH.

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    Re: Bryan Danielson vs The World: Kurt Angle

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Steventon View Post
    PWI as in the kayfabe magazine?
    You could just say you dont have any comeback instead of trying to be smart. So what if they keep in Kayfabe? Does that mean the other titles arent really world titles? ROH have only recently gotten a TV deal, before that, they were and for the time being are an indepandant promotion. The only way people all over the world can see ROH is to either go to the shows or buy DVD's. WWE and TNA (The only recognized World titles today) can be seen quite easily all over the world. See the differance as to why ROH is not a World title? If the local indy company go overseas and do one show, does that automatically make them have a world title? Even though only a few hundred people know they exist?
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    Re: Bryan Danielson vs The World: Kurt Angle

    Quote Originally Posted by Marketh. View Post
    I find it hard to take PWI seriously if they'd consider the new ECW's title a world title, yet forget about ROH.
    They dont. The ECW title lost its World title status in 2001 and never got it back.
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    Re: Bryan Danielson vs The World: Kurt Angle

    Quote Originally Posted by God View Post
    You could just say you dont have any comeback instead of trying to be smart. So what if they keep in Kayfabe? Does that mean the other titles arent really world titles? ROH have only recently gotten a TV deal, before that, they were and for the time being are an indepandant promotion. The only way people all over the world can see ROH is to either go to the shows or buy DVD's. WWE and TNA (The only recognized World titles today) can be seen quite easily all over the world. See the differance as to why ROH is not a World title? If the local indy company go overseas and do one show, does that automatically make them have a world title? Even though only a few hundred people know they exist?
    Huh? I was just asking if it was the same PWI as the kayfabe magazine. I found it pretty funny that a kayfabe magazine is the officiator of such a thing.

    I already said there is no direct correlation between booked accomplishments and in-ring ability, so I don't know why you're accusing me of "not having a comeback" when you're the one who hasn't given a reason for your vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God View Post
    PWI is widely considered the authority on World titles and



    The dont recognize ROH as a world title.
    Now, let's say I'm talking about a non-specific title. Tell me if this sounds like a World title or not:
    1. Title defense in Germany against Ares (European wrestler)
    2. Title defense in Germany against Ahmed Chaer
    3. Title defense in Canada against Kevin Steen (Before he was a regular, but he's still Canadian)
    4. Title defense in Switzerland against Marc Roudin
    5. Title defense in Austria against Ares and Steve Douglas
    6. Title defense in Mexico against Ricky Marvin and Super Crazy
    7. Title defense in England against Nigel McGuinness
    8. Title defense in England against SUWA
    9. Title defense in England against Roderick Strong
    10. Title defense in Japan against KENTA
    11. Title defense in Japan against KAZMA
    12. Title defense in Japan against Nigel McGuinness
    13. Title defense in Japan against Katsuhiko Nakajima
    14. Title defense in Japan against Go Shiozaki
    15. Title defense in Japan against BJ Whitmer and KENTA
    16. Title defense in Ireland against Vic Viper
    17. Title defense in Canada against Kevin Steen
    18. Title defense in Japan against Jimmy Jacobs
    19. Title defense in Canada against Go Shiozaki, Kevin Steen and El Generico
    20. Title defense in Canada against Necro Butcher


    That's 20 title defenses which doesn't include the numerous here in America (From California to Virginia, Maine to Texas) against foreign stars (Japan, Canada, Switzerland, ect) as well.

    Now, I ask you, does that sound like a World title?

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    Woah, who defended against Nakajima?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Steventon View Post
    Woah, who defended against Nakajima?
    That caught me off guard too. The date was September 1, 2007.

    http://www.livevideo.com/video/F746C...2007-take.aspx

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    Re: Bryan Danielson vs The World: Kurt Angle

    Oh, I remember that match. Didn't realise it was a defence.

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    Re: Bryan Danielson vs The World: Kurt Angle

    The ROH title I can pretty much guarantee has been defended more on foriegn soil way more than the original ECW title and that title was considered a world title according to PWI or w/e >.>

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    Re: Bryan Danielson vs The World: Kurt Angle

    Its not only about where the titles are defended, how much of the World can actually see your product is another big thing. With ROH only now getting a TV deal, allbeit on a low ranking network, its not that hard to see why they arent world title. No TV deal = Minimal overseas exposoure. I'm not sure about AWA but the rest were all on TV all over the world when they got world title status.
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    Re: Bryan Danielson vs The World: Kurt Angle

    Ok, firstly, how is this even relevant to who is the better wrestler?

    And secondly, a WORLD title is a title that is defended across the WORLD. It's pretty easy to understand. That is the only criteria for it. Exposure has nothing to do with it.


    EDIT - You still havent actually given a reason for why you think Angle is the better of the two, may want to do that to avoid looking like a bit of a blind mark troll.

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