And this is why pulling out is an awful idea.

Randy Orton

WC's Resident Alchoholic

but unlike vietnam we are makin progress lloook at the killt numbersa and htey are goin down, obviously are trooops are goin gtto get killede fightin a wqar in a nother country but in the en d it will be worth it to make another nation democratic and no longer have them be oprresed

Dakstang

WC's Resident Redneck

I don't think Iraq will ever be Democratic.

The only way is if we stayed there as an occupying force indefinitely.

I am totally opposed to that.

I'm a good old rebel, now that's just what I am.
I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.

Randy Orton

WC's Resident Alchoholic

I think we could end it quite easily, we either A? kill all the militants threw hand to hand combat and blood shed or just drop a few nukes and they surrender like the japs. if we ddrop a nuke on them in the parts of the country where most of the insurgents are they will know the US means business and if they dont ge tthe hint after the first one they will after the second one cuz we will wipe most of them out then if not we just ufckin bomb the dam country back to the stone age then they will get the god damn point

Dakstang

WC's Resident Redneck

Nuking Iraq would be a disaster. That would definitely start WWIII.

Every war since WWII has been different from what we faced before that. We have had to deal with guerilla warfare and we haven't been successful at all with that. Iraq is much the same way. There is no clear enemy. Any person in Iraq could be an enemy, or could be an innocent citizen. There is no way to tell. That is the main problem we are facing in Iraq.

Our only hope to succeed at this point would be to drastically increase the number of soldiers on the gound in Iraq. Unfortunately, that would also mean an increase in Allied Forces troop deaths. I don't think it would be worth it.

The Sunni and the Shiite tribes have been fighting in Iraq for a long time. There is no way we can stop them. I feel that whatever we do, a democratic government will never work in Iraq. There are too many factors in Iraq that are against that type of government. If the people don't want it, it will never work.

I'm a good old rebel, now that's just what I am.
I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.

God

Super Moderator

So your proposing killing millions upon millions of people rather than leave & let a few thousand die at their own hands?

Dropping a bomb on Iraq = North Korea getting involved. Its no secret, they have many more weapons & are prepared to use them. When it comes to weapons, It would be like the US haveing slingshots while North Korea have Atom Bombs. A massacre.

Iraq is not a treath to America or any other country today. If your president wasent a coward he would have went after the real treath to world peace, not a country that was actually starting to improve its standing.

Dakstang

WC's Resident Redneck

I am not sure about the numbers but the sling shot analogy is way off I believe. The U.S. has LOTS of nuclear weapons and it wouldn't really take that many from either side...

A lot of people would just say why didn't Iraq allow U.N. Weapons Inspectors into Iraq to prove they didn't have any WMD's? There was a lot of factors involved. For one thing Iraq wanted the rest of the world to believe that they did have WMD's. They especially wanted Iran to know so they wouldn't try anything against them. If you want to call that improving their standing in the world then yeah....

I'm a good old rebel, now that's just what I am.
I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.

Suffy

It's kinda of funny the only reason it wasn't a UN sanctioned mission in Iraq was because France vetoed it...France vetoed it in the security council so it wasn't a UN sanctioned mission.

Am I the only one who thinks that is so stupid.

Randy Orton

WC's Resident Alchoholic

france can go fuck themselves for all i care. those stupid fucks wont back us but if it wasn't for the US they'd all be talking German.

Suffy

You can't really bring up WW2 (or one really) because the only reason America joined was because they got hit very hard at Pearl Habour, if it wasn't for that then all of Europe would be speaking German...possibly all of Asia as well.

The US didn't care until they got attacked, countries like Canada joined the war right at the start because they felt a moral obligation.

But I hate the UN security council, it has 2 countries (France and England) that are both no longer world powers and yet because they are apart of the council countries still have to try and cater to them.

They need to replace France and England with Brazil and India.

Unfortunately that is impossible because both France and England will veto the vote to replace them.

Dakstang

WC's Resident Redneck

It wasn't really that the U.S. didn't care before Pearl Harbor. The majority of the U.S. was very concerned about what was going on but we very reluctant to get involved. Germany was not a direct threat to us so that did delay us getting involved. Canada got involved more than likely because of their loyalties to England. Franklin Delano Roosevelt wanted to get involved before the attack on Pearl Harbor but the people were hoping we would not have to get involved.

I'm a good old rebel, now that's just what I am.
I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.