Florida Votes..

Dakstang

WC's Resident Redneck

No sir. Romney is not about change. That is what he says but that is not what he will do. Romney is another of those people who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He has always been really wealthy and he does not know what the middle class and lower class has to go through. He will not do anything to help them if he is elected.

I use to like Romney a little but I heard an interview the other day where he came off smug and laughed at the other candidates. He supports how we are using our military now and he supports a similar tax system to what we have now. That will not bring us out of the recession we are facing. That is not the kind of man we need in office.

Ron Paul is the only candidate who will really and truly bring about change. We need to bring our troops home. We have 800 military bases in foreign countries and 600 here in America. Those bases our draining us dry. We need to shut down most of, if not all of, those foreign bases and bring our troops home. We have an overgrown government that needs to be trimmed. We need to get rid of some of the dead weight government agencies. It is things like this that will really and truly cut government spending and get us out of this recession. If the next President does not do that, we will see a depression is his first term of office.

We cannot sustain our government with the way we are overspending. People need to realize this and vote for real change. All Mitt Romney does is says he is for change. But I have never heard any ideas from him that is really about change. He just wants to tweak what we all ready have. It won't work.

Sorry about the long post but this is something I really feel passionate about.

barfly467

I think the democrats are fucking stupid for penalizing Flordia. This is the one state in the past two elections that have been a factor in their losses. Who fucking cares if they move up their date? That's great, piss off the state that means a lot. Fucking awesome. Way to go Democrates. Start shooting yourself in the foot early.

Invictus

I think Americans have an unrealistic expectation of what a President can achieve in a 4 year term.

Maybe as a Brit looking in I see it different as the effect of the US election is marginal to me. but Dak closing down most of the US bases abroad? Are you serious? Do you have any idea of the damage that would do to military readines? If North Korean lauches an ICBM up your ass or Iran develops Nuclear capabilities and you have very few military bases abroad, your fucked, plain and simple. Ron Paul is idealist and not a leader if he thinks that will solves America's problems. Also he's a fucking moron if he thinks he can cut so many jobs in the military or absorb them into the US military system. Congress won't allow it and it couldn't be done in a 20 year term, never mind 4.

What I think gets forgotten in the rhetoric and posteuring in Primary elections is that government is done in small steps and takes time, you can't sort out the US economy in 4 years. It simply can't be done, it takes time. Think you can sort of the huge problem of immigration in 4 years (2 years really because after that you're running for re-election) again, not possible.

You should be more concerned over Congressional and Senate elections if you're concern is over domestic issues. The entire point in Congress in its infancy was to look over the domestic front whilst the President looked after foreign policy, hence the arrows and olive branch.

When going to the polls you need to realise that the President has a great deal of influence over foreign policy and but that influence is not so great in the domestic arena.

Dakstang

WC's Resident Redneck

America would be in no harm what so ever if they shut down a lot of foreign army bases. We have too many and they are costing us a fortune. Does any other countries have that many foreign bases? Why should America?

I don't think Ron Paul can get all of that implemented in four years because he would have to have Congress approval to do so. But it would make me feel much more comfortable to have someone in office who realizes that we cannot continue the current American empire.

If we don't implement some changes soon America is in trouble. One of the founding fathers said that America would never fall to outside forces but if we ever did fall, we would crumble from withing. It is not looking good for us right now.

Invictus

I fail to see the logic in that statement. There not there for fun, those bases are there to provide quick strike capability in the case of an emergency or war. If North Korea is gonna launch an attack on South Korea or Iran, Iraq, Syria and Lebananon invade Israel, what is the US response going to be if its foreign bases are shut down? Run the war from US soil? Can't be down, re-fueling needs to be done, supply lines, repairs, training in different theatres and weathers, etc all need to be done on these bases.

Shit the UK army has bases all over the world as well and we're a pathetic excuse for a country.

Dakstang

WC's Resident Redneck

No one has as many foreign bases as the U.S.

I am not saying shut them all down. I am saying keeping some very strategically place bases with limited personnel. We have the capability to move our Army around the world fairly quickly if need be.

For example: Do we still really need a substantial amount of troops in Germany 70+ years after WWII?

Invictus

Yeah because they aren't there to defend Germany from Soviet attack they are used as a staging post and supply lines for the Middle Eastern theatres. The main US Military Hospital for wounded soldiers in combat is in Germany. They don't fly victims home to the US when they are injured they go the Germany.

I'm not satying that they are all 100% needed but I don't think you quite understand how a modern war is waged. You can't move an incursion force of 20,000 men from the US to North Korean in hours, it takes weeks, probably months. Hence they station men in bases in Turkey and the Baltic, doesn't take as long.

It took nearly 3 months of preparation for the Desert Storm to take place, i.e. moving men into place, supply lines sorted out, refuling and strategic placement and the US soliders were based in Saudi Arabia which is pretty much next door, imagine the staging time if they were to try that from US soil.

Dakstang

WC's Resident Redneck

I still think they are many bases that are not needed and we could cut our costs significantly by shutting those down and keeping only the ones we need.
Besides with Ron Paul's non interventionist foreign policy America would not be getting involved in many wars. The United States Congress are the ones supposed to issue a Declaration of War. They were completeley bypassed with the most recent Iraq war because Bush knew they would not approve it. Ron Paul would follow the Constitution.

Inogenius

I don't know if you realize how necessary it is for American to be involved. It would be great to be an isolationist country, but that's not feasible in the world.

Dakstang

WC's Resident Redneck

Isolationism is a lot different than non-interventionist. Don't use them interchangeably.

Non-interventionists is friendly trade with all, binding ties with none.

Isolationism is have nothing to do with the rest of the world whatsoever.