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Old 01-24-2008, 05:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Economic Stimulus Package

Any thoughts on the stimulus package? I like the money I'll be getting back, but I don't think it's going to help the economy at all.

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Originally Posted by Stimulus Package: What's in and Out (from the AP)
Congressional leaders and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson are narrowing their differences in search of a bipartisan economic stimulus deal that could move swiftly through Congress.

WHAT'S IN

Tax rebates: Checks of at least $300 for all people earning a paycheck, including low-income earners who make too little to pay income taxes. Families with children would receive an additional $300 per child, while those paying income taxes could receive higher rebates. Rebates may be capped at $1,200 for couples with children.

Business tax write-offs: Spurring business investments with so-called bonus depreciation, more generous expensing rules and a change to allow businesses suffering losses now to reclaim taxes previously paid.

Housing rescue: Allowing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (FRE) to buy loans larger than $417,000

WHAT'S OUT

Permanent tax cuts: Republicans concede that their top priority would have to be left out.

Unemployment insurance: Democrats wanted to extend benefits past 26 weeks.

Food stamps: A boost for benefits.

Medicaid: Democrats gave up on including Medicaid payments to states.

Low-income heating subsidies: Democrats are surrendering the fight to include them.

Infrastructure spending: Spending on transportation or repair projects already under way is off the table.


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Re: Economic Stimulus Package

It won't help the economy at all.

As long as our government keeps spending like it is, nothing will help.

Hypocrisy at it's worst!


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Re: Economic Stimulus Package

A real economic stimulus package.

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Ron Paul Unveils a REAL Economic Stimulus Plan
Four-pronged approach will strengthen the economy by reforming taxes, cutting spending, improving monetary policy and eliminating burdensome regulations


ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA –Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has unveiled a comprehensive economic revitalization package. The four-pronged plan is designed to stem the current economic slide and address the unsound governmental policies that are harming Americans’ pocketbooks.

“Real economic reform must address the underlying reasons for the current economic malaise,” said Ron Paul. “This plan is more than just a band-aid for our economy; it fundamentally reforms four areas where government policies are damaging our national economy. When enacted, my plan will provide both short-term stimulus, and lay the groundwork for long-term prosperity.”

The four areas that the plan covers are:

1. Tax Reform: Reduce the tax burden and eliminate taxes that punish investment and savings, including job-killing corporate taxes.

2. Spending Reform: Eliminate wasteful spending. Reduce overseas commitments. Freeze all non-defense, non-entitlement spending at current levels.

3. Monetary Policy Reform: Expand openness with the Federal Reserve and require the Fed to televise its meetings. Return value to our money.

4. Regulatory Reform: Repeal Sarbanes/Oxley regulations that push companies to seek capital outside of US markets. Stop restricting community banks from fostering local economic growth.


Congressman Paul has written or co-sponsored numerous bills to enact the policies in his plan. In Congress, he has been a champion of lower taxes and limited government.

Congressman Paul is the ranking member on the House Financial Services Committee's Subcommittee on Domestic and International Monetary Policy, Trade, and Technology. In Congress, Dr. Paul has never voted for a tax increase or for an unbalanced budget.

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Hypocrisy at it's worst!


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3. Monetary Policy Reform: Expand openness with the Federal Reserve and require the Fed to televise its meetings. Return value to our money.

4. Regulatory Reform: Repeal Sarbanes/Oxley regulations that push companies to seek capital outside of US markets. Stop restricting community banks from fostering local economic growth.
I can agree with opening the Federal Reserve meetings.

I don't agree with repealing Sarbanes Oxley though... mainly because I had to study that fucker in about 5 different classes. Sarbanes Oxley contains several restrictive clauses that result in companies becoming much more ethical. It was a direct response to Enron and MCI/UUNet failing to maintain proper Accounting records.


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Re: Economic Stimulus Package

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I can agree with opening the Federal Reserve meetings.

I don't agree with repealing Sarbanes Oxley though... mainly because I had to study that fucker in about 5 different classes. Sarbanes Oxley contains several restrictive clauses that result in companies becoming much more ethical. It was a direct response to Enron and MCI/UUNet failing to maintain proper Accounting records.
It has some minor flaws, but it is much better than I have saw from any other candidate.

Hypocrisy at it's worst!


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Re: Economic Stimulus Package

I think I read somewhere that when Bush did this in 2001, like 50% of Americans either put their money in the bank or used it to pay down debt. Thus, it didnt really have as much of an effect as Bush intended. Perhaps thats why they doubled the size of it.

It only works if people will actually spend the money

I also agree with Terry about Sarbanes-Oxley. It's costly, but it's a necessary evil. It fights corporate fraud, and we need that.

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Re: Economic Stimulus Package

Oen economic paper, by Matthew Shapiro and Joel Slemrod came to the foloowing conclusion:

Many households received income tax rebates in 2001 of $300 or $600. These rebates represented advance payments of the tax cut from the new 10 percent tax bracket. Based on a survey of a representative sample of households, this paper finds that only 22 percent of households receiving the rebate would spent it. Instead, they would either save it or use it to pay off debt. This very low rate of spending represents a striking break with past behavior, which would have suggested a much higher rate of spending. The low spending rate implies that the tax rebate provided a very limited stimulus to aggregate demand.

But another paper by Jonathon Parker and Nocholas Souleles concluded:

We find that households spent about 20-40 percent of their rebates on non-durable goods during the three-month period in which their rebates were received, and roughly another third of their rebates during the subsequent three-month period. The implied effects on aggregate consumption demand are significant. The estimated responses are largest for households with relatively low liquid wealth and low income, consistent with liquidity constraints.

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So, it depends on who you ask.

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Re: Economic Stimulus Package

The argument against the Sarbanes Oxley Act is as follows:

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Detractors contend that SOX was an unnecessary and costly government intrusion into corporate management that places U.S. corporations at a competitive disadvantage vis-a-vis foreign firms.

Hypocrisy at it's worst!


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Re: Economic Stimulus Package

Well, US Corporations are at a competitive disadvantage due to a number of Acts, like the Wagner Act, however just like the Sarbanes Oxley Act, if repealed would likely lead to abuse and corruption again.

Sarbanes Oxley is a necessary evil as it establishes some accountability, and checks over publicly traded companies. Because Sarbanes Oxley didn't exist prior to 2002 thousands of people lost their entire life savings, their retirement, and the lucky ones, lost just a couple dollars they had invested.

Just imagine if you had a 401k plan with Enron, or if you were an Enron shareholder. One day, you can't wait to retire. The next day, you know retirement is never going to come.


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