George Bush Bashers.

Invictus

Stem Cell research. Research is the name of the game, it could cure cancer, i might not. I agree research should take place but their are specific problems from religious groups which causes concern for any administration not just Bush. The problem would be the same if any President was in power.

As for Afghanistan, thats an interesting situation, sure the country is having problems now, but I don't think the people of Afghanistan are quite ready for a return of the Taliban just yet. I think they appreciate being able to go out with out fear of having an ear removed or being shot at.

Heres a question for you,

Why does no one take into consideration what the majority think? Sure there are a lot of pissed off Iraqis and Afghans in their respective country, but going by the turn out in the elections there, there are more or at least as many people who appreciated being given a democratic right. Now I'm not saying that they have the perfect Republic but its a start and the fact that people voted in mass numbers suggests that people are willing to take a democracy seriously in the respective countries.

Dakstang

WC's Resident Redneck

Another thing about stem cell research is the that President Bush is allowing some of it. When he took office there were all ready 60 genetically diverse stem cell lines in existence. He allowed federal funding to research these existing lines. Meaning that some human embryos had all ready been destroyed for research. I see no problem with letting them go ahead and do research on them. But I don't think they should destroy any more for research.

He opposes (as do I) the destruction of more human embryos.


And as far as the Afghanistan debate goes, I don't think the people there would want the Taliban to still be in power. The country might not be in very good shape right now, but it still has to be better than when the Taliban was in power. At least now they have an elected leader. The county is not going to dramtically change overnight, it will take a while for it to get better but I think they are well on there way.

Miakal

Afghanistan is clearly still a mess. People ARE still being shot at and killed. Schools and hospitals are being torched and American forces are not equipped enough to deal with it. If Iraq would've been put off, they could've handled the situation fully.

What the majority thinks is an interesting question. In the last year most polls have indicated a dislike for American occupation, not what you are suggesting.

Futhermore, just because many voted in the election doesn't mean a promise for democracy or a vote of confidence in the Allied Forces. Most Iraqi's just want a change, that's clear in the polls and their action and that change seems obvious, to me anyway, for us to be out of there.

As for stem cell research, it's just another sign that the President is anti-science as he has proven so many times in the past. If you think another President, even a Republican president, would react the same then you are simply wrong. Many Republicans have changed their minds in the last two years, most notably Senator Bill Frist who has now become a loud supporter of it (and most likely will get louder as his bid for Presidency comes closer).

The next Republican in the White House will support stem cell research, I am fairly certain. Unfortunately, I fear that once again it's too late. Much like alternative fuel sources, we'll have to outsource from another country, most likely China, who are a lot more progressive when it comes to science and technology.

Dakstang

WC's Resident Redneck

Many Republicans have changed their minds in the last two years, most notably Senator Bill Frist who has now become a loud supporter of it (and most likely will get louder as his bid for Presidency comes closer).


This would not be a good move on his part in my opinion. It would in effect be political suicide.


The next Republican in the White House will support stem cell research, I am fairly certain.


I disagree. People misunderstand the Christian conservative base in this country. Some of them has turned tail on President Bush with all of the controversy surronding the Iraq War and such, but it is a different story when you are talking about Stem Cell research. I think you will find that they will not switch so easily when is comes to an issue like this. Just my opinion, but remember I said this. If I am right I reserve all right to remind you of it. :lick:

Miakal

Name a serious contender to the white house who doesn't support stem cell research.

Debate over.

Dakstang

WC's Resident Redneck

In 1996 many people would not have considered George W. Bush a serious contender to the White House. It is too early.

NOW the debate is over.

Miakal

At this stage of the game any Republican too far to the right, who doesn't support stem cell research, is going to get tossed out in the early part of the game. The climate for stem cell research has changed since 2000, quite drastically, and it had a big effect on Kerry getting such a high turnout.

There's just not any Republicans who can carry things through like McCain or Frist, which is another factor that wasn't present in 2000---the contenders were shit and McCain didn't have such the high stock he has now.

Futhermore, considering all the hot water the Republican party is in right now they absolutely have to find guys who are more in the center if they wish for any victory at all. That's why Frist (who has been moving to the center for a while now) and McCain are way ahead in the polls over any other Republicans. Simply put, there were no strong contenders for the Republican party going into the 2000 election. Things have changed now.

Dakstang

WC's Resident Redneck

We shall see Miakal. But just remember what I said, and I will remember what you said.

Miakal

I'll remember what you said, then remember what you said, and then remember what I said again and then remember what someone else said and then remember it some more.

Remember that.

Dakstang

WC's Resident Redneck

That sounds like a plan..........But don't forget to remember because if you don't, you might forget.