Brandon

Usually, I'm not for holding out or athletes demanding anything, but in this case I could more than understand his annoyance.

The Packers need to give me a fucking break with this supposed "competition".

Even if Rodgers won out in training camp. If they start out 2-4, the fans will call for Favre. If Rodgers goes a few games without breaking 200 yards, the fans will call for Favre.

He needs to get the hell out of there.

Assassin™

Aarong Rodgers should...play well. And no one should expect anything to be handed to him, or to Favre for that matter.

I would never stop laughing if Brian Brohm performs better than both of them during training camp and the preseason, and wins the starting job. If this truly is an open competition which is being judged by stats and performance, not just a ploy to justify giving Favre the start, anything could happen.

...so, if Rodgers performs horribly, and people notice--and naturally call for someone lower on the depth chart who they think will be better--this is somehow unfair to Rodgers?

Doctor Doom

I agree with your opinion Blitz, looks like Rodgers is gonna get screwed, because the Packer fans want Favre to start and not Rodgers. The Packers organization really seems confusing to me. First, they don't want Favre in GB, now, they're welcoming him back and planning on competiting for the starting QB position. I'd say give the Packers want they want. Have their bottle of milk and a blanky. The Packer fans are just living in the past.

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Brandon

Assassin, I guess you've never heard of rookie mistakes, learning curve or in this case, just a possible bad stretch of games? The scrutiny would be ridiculous on this kid.. something that no other young quarterback who is given the reigns would have to deal with in any other scenario. No quarterback has ever been under this kind of pressure. the media along is making this whole situation a circus.

I realize you're just disagreeing with me to disagree, so be it.

If the Packers were really operating under the kind of structure that you put forth, then why should Favre even be given another chance after how brutal he played in the NFC Championship?

Assassin™

Well, that's a pretty bad guess, especially considering that this will be his fourth year in the league. No, that's not suggesting that he's a veteran, but he has been there long enough to know the system and shouldn't be looked at as a rookie. It's kind of funny how you seem to be making excuses for mistakes he hasn't even made yet.

As I alluded to before, all Rodgers has to do is perform well, and no one will say anything. If he plays like shit, then of course people are going to want someone else in there who doesn't play like shit. That's not a unique situation. As a matter of fact, a pretty similar situation has been going on in Arizona with a young quarterback and an seasoned QB actually battling each other for the starting job. I'm not saying Kurt Warner is to Arizona what Favre has been to Green Bay, but at the end of the day, football is football, and coaches are going to do put in the players they think gives them the best chance of winning, with or without fan approval.
No, I actually legitimately disagree with you, and I think I've explained why pretty thoroughly. I know it's quite unfathomable to you that someone dare have a differing opinion than "The world according to Blitzkrieg", but hey, you'll get over it (either that, or you'll delete the thread for no reason at all).

...because, as has been the custom for as long as I can remember, teams don't make decisions on who to start based on the last game of the previous season, but rather through performance in training camp, scrimmages, and preseason games.

Weird. I know.

Brandon

Oh but Assassin, he's not far off from being a rookie. I don't care if he's gone through training camp and a number of preseason games. Ask someone in the NFL if they believe that's the same as starting a legitimate game.

And how was I making excuses for him? I simply said that if he has a bad stretch (which most QB's do have at any point in the season) he's going to face more pressure and scrutiny than any other quarterback with a similar pedigree has had to endure... EVER.

If you believe this is the same situation as a quarterback situation in Arizona, than I feel sorry for you for not watching the NFL more closely.

You really should pay attention just a little more if you're going to make a post here.

It's not the same. It's not close.

Your personal attacks, I laugh... you're too simple minded to have a real discussion it seems so I guess I shall post at your level?

Spawn-Iz-Gawd

If Aaron Rodgers were smart, he could spin this whole thing around to become a loveable hero, rather than being the guy who is trying to take Favre's spot.

If I were him, I would chat with team president about the possibility of taking a little extra "side money" to bow out and let Favre take the reigns this year in order to save face for the Packers organization this year. This would:

1. Make his look more like a team player for stepping aside and letting Favre have 'one more go" at it.

2. Endear him in the eyes of the Packer's faithfuls as true Packer who wants to win instead of just the corporate yes man.

3. Make him look like a true team leader by stepping forward to end the controversy and distractions for the good of the team.

It's a win win situation for Rodgers. If Favre fails, then the fans will have an easier time supporting the transition of Rodgers into the starting role. If Favre succeeds and takes the team to the title, then Rodgers gets a free ring and will be looked at as being the hero who stepped aside in order for it to happen. But he really should ask for some sort of monetary compensation for this. In private though. lol

Inogenius

I agree with Blitz. If I were Rodgers, I want to be on a different team NOW!

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Assassin™

Red Herring. I never said anything about training camp and preseason games being the same as starting a game. Nice job of merging two completely unrelated statements from my post.

Um, yeah, I'd say he is pretty far off from being a rookie. Are you trying to compare someone fresh out college (a true rookie) to a guy who's had Bret Favre as a mentor for 3 years? In your eyes, I guess there is very little difference between Rodgers and Brohm, and my previous hypothetical is entirely possible, maybe even likely?

He hasn't just gone through scrimmages and training camp, he has gone through SEASONS. He has played in games that have actually mattered. He been on the sideline and has witnessed everything first-hand. And he has definitely had enough time to learn the Packers' system, a goal that is usually the toughest for young QBs.

No, that's not all you said. You specifically gave his potential mistakes the preemptive label of "rookie" mistakes. You've already assumed any games in which he may perform poorly in will only be a "bad stretch", giving him the benefit of doubt that he will actually get better. And you called it a learning curve. All of this is before he has even started a game. You'll probably come with some overly-simplified justifications for all of these, but I still see them as excuses.

See, this is what you always do. Instead of discussing substance and explaining why you think I'm so wrong, you try to shoot down my post's credibility by suggesting I don't know what I'm talking about, then to go as far as to suggest that I don't know enough about NFL football to post here. No real counterpoint here, just "you're wrong and you should pay more attention".

*yawn*

I'm saying the situations are comparable, not the same. It's a seasoned, Superbowl-winning QB, obviously near the end of his career, but who can still perform at a high level vs. an unproven youngster who the team is wasting a lot of their salary cap room on and are eager to get him on the field. In both situations, there is a true competition for the starting spot (or at least the illusion of such). It is for those reasons, and no others, that I see the situations as similar. If you can clearly explain why these facts don't make the situations similar, instead of just saying I don't know what I'm talking about, then I'll cede the point.

...what personal attacks? Did I try to make your post seem irrelevant by claiming that you were just disagreeing to disagree? Did I imply that you don't watch enough NFL football and shouldn't post because you don't know what you're talking about? Did I call you simple minded?

Do you enjoy being a hypocrite?

Seriously, those were all you. None of the alleged personal attacks came from me, and I'd be shocked if you could find one without twisting my words.

Toaster Oven

Sure he'll be under scrutiny. But not more than Favre. Out of curiosity what "legions" of Packer faithful would be calling for his head? Living in Wisconsin... I can truly say.. most of the "Packer Faithful" around here have moved on. In fact... they've moved on to the point that the Bergstrom billboard outside of Green Bay... has Donald Driver on it now instead of Favre. I've seen more #12 jerseys than I have #4. I mean sure there will be the vocal 100 people who will curse Rodgers name saying "Favre would've completed that," but I think as a whole you're really selling the Packer faithful short.

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