Who is more Valuable

Dr. Giganto

I hate these "Who is more valuable" questions, because basically what it comes down to is "Which good player has the shittiest team around him?"

The player who is the most "valuable" is the player who is the "best", or "has the most talent/skill".

Yes, the Packers would probably have the biggest drop-off if Favre wasn't their QB anymore, but the same could be said if Brady or Manning was their QB all year and then you took him away, or if the Patriots had the same talent level as the Packers.

So, who is the most valuable? Tom Brady

Who has the worst supporting cast around him? Favre

Blitzkrieg

I haven't seen anything out of Brady this season that would change my mind about him and Manning. I still think Manning has the most skill and I still think Manning is the most intelligent player in the league.

It's not what Brady has done differently, it's who he has added to the offense.

Captain Planet

WC's Resident Samoan

Basically what would their VORP's be? Value over their replacement, or just an adequate QB.

Dr. Giganto

That's basically the way I think you need to look at it. If all 4 guys played witht he exact same team around them, or if all 4 had a league-average team around them, who would do the best? THAT is who the most valuable is. The players cant control who their teammates are...so why should a superior player be judged as "less valuable" just because his GM did a good job of assembling the team?

It's like the example I gave justifying Derek Jeter for MVP last year...let's say you have a really really rich neighborhood, and the average cost of a house is $5 million, and one house is nicer than all the rest, and costs $6 million. Now you have a middle-class neighborhood, and all the houses cost less than $500,000, but there's one super-duper nice house that costs $2 million. Even though the super-nice house in the middle-class neighborhood is so much more valuable than the resy of the homes in the neighborhood, it's not more valuable than the $6 million house in the affluent neighborhood.

In this case, Brady and Manning are the $6 million house in the rich neighborhood and Favre and Romo are the $2 million house in the middle-class neighborhood

Until this year, I would have said Manning is the most valuable. Brady's accomplishments this year are pretty hard to ignore, though. And really, Brady's supporting cast isnt THAT much different from Manning's 49-TD season. Moss=Harrison, Stallworth=Wayne, Welker=Stokley (and they're both white!), Clark=Watson, both teams have good O-lines... guess we'll see what Brady does the next few years...

Captain Planet

WC's Resident Samoan

I still wanna see what Favre could do with a Moss/Harrison/Stallworth/Wayne/Stokely/Welker + run game.

Blitzkrieg

I don't think you can just look at it like that. I'd say New England's defense is better, a lot better than that Colts defense of a few years ago. If the defense gets you the ball back more consistently, the offense will have more chances to score.

Freak

You're absolutely right, but you're missing the point.

No, players (generally) have no say in who makes up their supporting cast, which in this case hurts guys on all-world football teams like Manning and Brady -- but for years, "Most Valuable Player" awards have been around to reward players who most carry their teams to success. As far as I'm concerned, without Brett Favre, the Packers would be lucky to have won even a handful of football games this year; to me, that's most valuable.

It's why there's an Offensive Players of the Year award as well.

Swamps

I think Tom Brady is the most valuable to his team. I mean if he goes down who else is there on the bench?

Dr. Giganto

Freak, I understand that that is what MVP voters look for...I just think it's silly

Slimdust

Tony Romo ftW