NFL - HOF if they retired today.

Simon

Founder/Admin

Feel free to discuss at any length your decisions.....


If any of these guys suffered career ending injuries or simply retired before this current season started, would the make the Hall Of Fame?

These are not MY choices for HOF careers. I think there are a few definite NO's in there. Also, feel free to add your own submissions.

Links provided to their career stats from yours truely. *edit. NFL.com keeped freezing. Thats all the links I got right now*


Ty Law


LaDanian Tomlinson


Champ Bailey


John Lynch


Tom Brady


Peyton Manning


Adam Vinateri


Bret Favre


Tony Gonzalez


Junior Seau


Ray Lewis


Terrell Owens


Randy Moss


Mike Vick


Michael Straham


Priest Holmes

Twist of Lemon

Blitzkrieg

Administrator

How does Priest Holmes make it? He had what.. 3 or 4 good years?

Invictus

LT - No, he hasn't been in the NFL long enough and produced on a consistent basis (he's well on the the way though.)

No way should Ty Law, Mike Vick, TO or Randy Moss

All the others I would say yes although I'm in 2 minds with Ray Lewis.

Blitzkrieg

Administrator

Moss and TO have better numbers than 99% of the WR's in the hall of fame.

Freak

Based on your list:

Absolutely, beyond any doubt: Brett Favre, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Junior Seau

Almost certainly, yes: Ray Lewis, Michael Strahan, Tony Gonzalez, Adam Vinatieri

It can't be said for sure, but a couple more good years would clinch it: Champ Bailey, John Lynch, LaDainian Tomlinson, Ty Law

It can't be said for sure, but a couple more good years and a bit of good behavior would clinch it: Terrell Owens, Randy Moss

Absolutely not: Michael Vick, Priest Holmes

Guys you missed who are absolute locks to make it include Larry Allen, Walter Jones and Marvin Harrison. Other guys who are well on their way include Brian Urlacher, Richard Seymour and Torry Holt.

Suntan Superman

WC's Resident Samoan

Orlando Pace? come on if you're giving Walter Jones love you gotta love the Pace man. And how does Champ need a few more good years? he's been phenomenal since stepping foot on the field. Olin Kreutz and Matt Birk have anchored their respective lines since they were Rookies. Also Derrick Brooks anyone? I mean come on, He's only one of the best outside linebackers ever.

Freak

I agree with mostly everything you said -- those guys simply hadn't popped into my head yet.

My feeling about Bailey is, yeah, he's easily an all-time top-five cornerback, but he's also still pretty young. Tomlinson might be the greatest back of all time, but no one will give him that title until he plays out his career. Bailey would probably make it if something awful happened to him today, but you can't be sure. In one or two years, he'll have earned the company of the all-time greats.

I'm actually a bit iffy on Birk and Kreutz, if only because they play highly non-glorified positions. Has Dermontti Dawson been elected yet? If not, he definitely gets in before those two.

Alan Faneca is another guy who should probably make it.

Blitzkrieg

Administrator

Jason Taylor anyone? The guy has been a pro bowler and one of the best DE's for a while now.

Moss and Owens should already be locks by the way.

I'll give you some numbers..

Owens - 801 rec - 11,715 yrds - 114tds
Moss - 676 rec - 10,700 yrds - 101tds

James Lofton - 764 rec - 14,004 yrds - 75tds
Steve Largent - 819 rec - 13,089 yrds - 100tds
Michael Irvin - 750 rec - 11,904 yrds - 65tds

Suntan Superman

WC's Resident Samoan

First off, my PERSONAL Feelings, Michael Irvin does NOT belong in the HOF, And no this isn't my personal byist against the cowboys coming out, it's the fact that he doesn't have HOF numbers.

And Julius Peppers/Dwight Freeney? Warren Sapp? Bryant Young? Warrick Dunn(yes it's a stretch but contributions on and off the field)? Simeon Rice? Ronde Barber? Steve Hutchinson? Shaun Alexander? Chris McAllister?