Great Expectations

Crocker

News & Rumors Moderator

How do you expect your team to do in the coming season?

Will you win The Champions League?

Maybe battle for The Premiership?

Will you be battling for a european place?

Or maybe you will have yet another season in the mid table of the championship?

Tyler Durden

I've found my section

Dmac

I expect a Champions League finish as always but my highest expectations are 3rd place behind Man U and Chelsea. Maybe they will get pretty far in the Champions League but won't win it again. Torres and Heinze could improve our squad but I still don't see a serious Title chase.

The Phantom

Nothing less than the quadruple will please me.

And as for Wales... I'd be happy if we got the ball past the first man from a corner. But that is assuming we actually take a proper corner and not a short one.

Dmac

Well Wales need to play a lot harder now that Ryan Giggs is not there for them, I mean Craig Bellamy is an adequate replacement, but he's no Ryan Giggs now is he.

The Phantom

Giggs' loss is not as important as many people make out (and by many it's the English, who rarely watch Wales play). We've played as many games without him as we have with him. But since he has moved on, we might get another corner taker who will whip the ball in past the front man from a corner!!

Dmac

Indeed you have played games without Giggs which of course you haven't done too well, Giggs is the best player that Wales had in a long time and even if you wont admit it, you will miss him.

The Phantom

We'll play more like a team and rely less on one individual. I haven't missed a Welsh home match for donkeys years, sometimes Giggs tries too hard to carry the team, and his performances were suffering. I'm not doubting we'll miss him, because we will, but we won't miss him as much as your making out. We're not suddernly going to lose 10 in a row again. For me Garry Speed and Robbie Savage were bigger losses at the time. Now we have players capable of playing to a decent standard at international level.

Dmac

Gary Speed yes, Robbie Savage not so much. Speed was amazing, always has been his whole career no matter what club he was at. Robbie Savage didn't really perform in my opinion and was left out by Toshack for that reason. I mean he was okay, but when your playing for a team like Wales who a striving for success, you need to play well, anything less in unacceptable.

The Phantom

We miss Savage just for that presance in midfiled to help the youngsters. However I don't think he should come back because of how he reacted to being dropped.

I've juse done a quick bit of research and from Wales' last 32 games:

Played 13 Without Giggs: Won 5, Drawn 5, Lost 3
Played 19 With Giggs: Won 5, Drawn 4, Lost 10