BCS Standings as of 11/19/2006

Blitzkrieg

Administrator

Ohio State already beat them. I can't stress it enough. Why should Ohio Stae have to beat them once and then beat them again in the national title game?

If Michigan wins the national title game, they both would have beaten eachother once but the Wolverines are the champions?

That's stupid..

Dakstang

WC's Resident Redneck

So having a team that has lost to a lower ranked team play Ohio State for the National Championship just because Ohio State has all ready played Michigan would be better?

That is stupid.

Swamps

Note: This may seem a little biased since I am a diehard Michigan Fan.

Why should Ohio State be forced to beat Michigan again? A good question that requires a very good answer. Remember the game was played at the Horseshoe in Columbus in front of a hositle crowd and was only a three point ball game. What would have happened if the game was played in Ann Arbor or at a neutral site? Who knows but it sure as hell would be interesting to see IMO. Remember Flordia at Flordia State from 1996? An almost identicle situation occurred with Flordia State escapeing with a narrow victory over the Gators. Several people were speculating that the Gators had their chance and shouldn't be given a rematch(which would of cource be on neutral turf instead of in Tallahassee this time.) and, some people even went as far as to say that a 13-1 BYU should get the shot against Flordia State in the Sugar Bowl. Jesus Christ that would have been a blow out! WAIT! Didn't Flordia Blow Flordia State out in a rematch in the Sugar Bowl? Right. Remember UCLA vs. Ohio State in the 1970s? OSU won the regular season game but UCLA won the rematch in the Rose Bowl.

Another thing you should look at is that Michigan only trailed in one other game this season besides the Ohio State Game, which was at Big Ten Rival Iowa.

I notice a lot of people have been saying the SEC is the toughest conference in the NCAA and a one loss team or an undefeated team from the SEC should get the national championship shot. Ok. Lets look at the two one loss teams in the South Eastern Conference: Flordia and Arkansas. Lets look at Flordia's non conference schedule: South Miss(Conference USA), Central Flordia(MAC), W Carolina(D 1AA). Come one, the Gators are playing two of the worst teams from two of the worst Conferences and playing a Division 1AA school that isn't all that great. They barely beat Vandy, S.Carolina, Georgia, and Tennessee. They also lost to two loss Aubrun. Arkansas was destroyed 50-14 in the beginning of the season. Their other two non conferences games were against Utah State and SE Miss St. The Razorbacks had close calls against Bama, S.Carolina, Miss State. Come on if you want to make a statement for the national title game atleast play teams in other BCS conference_not MAC, WAC, Conference USA, and Big West) or atleast NCAA D1A and not D 1AA.

What about one loss #8 Wiconsin? They lost on the road in Ann Arbor 27-14 to Michigan. They didn't even get a chance at Ohio State!

If it is USC and not the SEC champion that gets the shot at the national championship don't worry Michigan will take care off Arkansas/Flordia.

Blitzkrieg

Administrator

All excellent points but lets remember about '96.. The Gators needed several teams to lose and also had to go win the SEC championship game to get another crack at FSU. It's not the same as just sitting home..

I agree though that if USC loses, Michigan has a great a case as anyone to be there.

Notre Dame in no way deserves to be in contention, they were mauled by Michigan and that was also in Indiana I believe wasn't it?

The razorbacks were not at full strength when the season started, I can safely say that it would not be a 40-point game again..

With that said, the Razorbacks do not deserve to get in over USC and they won't.

The only argument here is a one loss Florida team vs. a one loss Michigan team if USC loses, and I think it's closer then a lot of people make it out to be, because yes.. the SEC is stronger then the Big 10 and that's not even an issue, and it's also not Florida's fault that FSU is having the worst year in recent memory.

Suntan Superman

WC's Resident Samoan

Note: The Big West is not a football conference, the Big West is D1 Basketaball Conference. You also forgot about a couple of conferences, I know they aren't the greatest, but the Sun Belt and the WAC are conferences. Also I believe you meant Mountain West.

As for these 'BCS' Conferences, I think it's bullshit, I think if you win, you should be in. I mean for god fucking sakes. How in the Name of the Blue Blazer is Boise State ever going to make it to a Nat'l Championship game? They won't, why? The SEC, Big East and ACC power teams refuse to play Boise State! How is that their fault? Why should we punish them for the other 'power teams' being bitches? I digress.

On Topic: What's now even more interesting, in a very rare event we may have another BCS controversy. Under the BCS guidelines, only two teams may represent a conference, and the Top 4 Teams are GUARANTEED a Major Bowl Bid. SO under the right circumstances, Wisconsin could sneak to #4 in the BCS and therefore, represent a problem, We'd have 3 Big Ten Teams, but if they say Wisconsin can't the Top 4 teams wouldn't be in. Interesting....

Swamps

Yeah, I forgot the Big West doesn't have a football program any longer. I think they done away with it back in 1999 or so. No I didn't forget about the other conferences I just didn't mention them although I should have since a lot of SEC teams play teams from the Sun Belt.

I agree with you but only to a certain extent on the BSC conference deal. Boise State is in a similar situation that the Marshall Thundering Heard was in a few years ago. Marshall went 12-0 in the regular season and lost in the Motor City bowl to a 6-5 SEC Ole Miss Rebels team, so yeah. Boise State did actually play Georgia last season and was absolutely destroyed on the field so, why would Georgia want to play a WAC conference team, that they defeated by more than thirty points, when they could schedule Big XII Colorado? Which win looks more impressive on paper? And UGA has Big XII Oklahoma State, Big East Louisville, and ACC Georgia Tech schedeuled for next season. So if Boise State wants respect move t the PAC 10 and earn it that way. And lets look at ACC Georgia Tech's non Conference Schedeule: Independent Norte Dame, and SEC Georgia. In the Big East I know Louisville and West Virginia get a lot of hell about not playing in a tough conference but they try and schdeule other BCS conference teams even if they are not even the mediocre teams of the conferences. This season Louisville(Wh will still win the Big East) played SEC Kentucky, ACC Miami, and Big XII Kansas State so, I will give them their props for making the attempt to make a legit claim, if ever to go undefeated, at the national title game. West Virginia played SEC Miss State and possible ACC champion Maryland so again got to give them respect for that.

I think Wisconsin des deserve a BSC bid and, I honestly think the BIG 10 is much stronger than the SEC this year.

Suntan Superman

WC's Resident Samoan

That will never happen ever. First you have to think Basketball. Since both the Pac-10 and WAC are football/basketball/baseball conferences, you can't just switch them in Football, Under NCAA guidelines, They'd have to move all Boise State teams to the Pac-10, and how good would that make the Pac-10 look, with a failing Boise State basketball team. So I doubt many teams will be switching to any of the "Big 6" conferences.

As for the conferences it's ok, I mean very few people in my circle of sports fans knew that there was a conference called the Sun Belt. They're so easily overlooked

Freak

My fucking university doesn't even have a football team. Bullshit.

Killswitch

Michigan is also still number two in the AP poll, looks like another rematch, I don't like this. Here is my approach, Michigan had there chance at Ohio State and lost, now give either USC or Florida or even Notre Dame a chance at them. That was Michigans national championship, because if that was the case, yesterdays game meant absolutly nothing, because it was going to be a rematch anyway. So I say Michigan is not deserving to still be number 2, not saying they are the 2nd best team, I'm just saying they had there shot at Ohio State.

Swamps

Yes Michigan had their chance at Ohio State and yes they did lose but, was it Michigan's National Championship shot? No it wasn't but, the loss did give Ohio State the conference championship so, in that case that was Michigan's Big Ten title shot. Many sports fans look at it this way: The game was only decide by three points and was in Columbus... So naturally many people are going to want to see the rematch on a neutral field. Man you can never say a Michigan vs. Ohio State game doesn't mean anything because that is THE biggest rivarly game in NCAA Division 1A Football. No other rivalry game comes close to that kind of tension nor that much pride(and this is coming from a guy who has witnessed several Georgia vs Flordia games).

Lets look at the other teams you mentioned: USC lost to Oregon State a team that is not even in the top 25. But since that loss USC seems like a whole different team by defeating rival California. I think the are the most logical choice to play for the National title game if Michigan doesn't get the rematch. Flordia is in the most overrated conference, The SEC, and lost to a two loss Auburn Tiger team. Also Flordia has had close calls to teams in the bottom of the SEC; Tennessee, Vanderbilt, and Georgia. If Flordia played Ohio State they would get embarrassed and we would have Miami vs Nebraska or USC vs Oklahoma all over again. Don't get me started on why Norte Dame shouldn't have a shot at the National title nor, do I think they should even be in any BCS games. Norte Dame was destroyed at home by Michigan and, have had to really rally in several gameson a week schedule.

One thing that is bothering me about the BCS though is the ACC Champion which will be either Wake Forest or Georgia Tech will have an automatic BCS bid and neither team is in the top 15. The same thing can be said about the winner of the Big 12 which I think will be Oklahoma or Nebraska in the championship game. Louisville will have a bid if they win out and West Virginia defeats Rutgers but if Rutgers beats West Virginia they will have a BCS Birth. That would put good one loss teams out in the cold who are actually in the top 10 namely Wisconsin. I for one do not want to see an overrated Rutgers vs. Michigan in the Rose Bowl nor, Flordia vs. Wake/Georgia Tech in the Sugar Bowl which will be a three loss team. Anyone remember two years ago when undefeated Utah destroyed Big East champion Pittsberg in the Fiesta Bowl?