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Originally Posted by AudioSavior

Well I disagree. I haven't seen it being used more than it ever has been. Like is said, that is like saying Loiseau is the reason elbows are used to finish fights. It was used well before him and will be used well after him. Just like the clinch. Anybody who knows anything about MMA knows it is one of hundreds of ways to be affective in a fight. Just because you may see someone else do it doesn't mean they haven't before or are doing it because Silva did it in that fight.

In no way is that proof that it was used because Silva did it. GSP finished Hughes with elbows, I guess that was because Loiseau uses them.

A fighter will use what ever is given to him at the time, and it also has to be an instinct for him to react to. That means he has to already be well trained in using them to react enough to know when it will be the best offence at the time. You don't learn that in a month.

Like I said, it has been used MANY times in the hundreds of UFC fights I have seen. Giving him credit for it being used in the future is pretty far fetched and impossible to prove.

Originally Posted by Dakstang

Let me ask you this.

What if there is a sudden surge in using the Muay Thai Clinch now? Would that prove to you that it is because Silva destroyed Rich Franklin with it?

It should.

Originally Posted by AudioSavior

What if.....


There is no what if. People use it as an offense. They have for a long time. He didn't even use it in previous fight. Not every fighter can use it affectively due to their size, fighting style, and lack of experience.

You asking me "what if" is not the issue or the argument. It takes a while to develop such a skill and no real fighter is going to rely on one kind of defense just because it worked well for someone else. Any real fighter is going to be well rounded in all forms of offense and use whatever is handed to him as it is given.

Originally Posted by AudioSavior

That is damn hard to prove and I'd love you do it. People are going to use it, that is just a fact. Why they will use it though is a different story. MMA fighters don't act like teenagers who see a new computer console and have to try it.

I have access to 5 or more different MMA orgs that all have fighters that use there own style.

Originally Posted by AudioSavior

It was one fight. I am basing it on the fact that other fighters with the accept ion of Matt Hughes and Grace, have fighters adapted a style they pretty much created and others then took and adapted to their own style.

I have never seen what you are talking about ever in MMA. So for someone to use the clinch now, wouldn't be a reasonable assumption they they are using it because he used it in 1 fight and it worked. You would have to know if the fighters had never used it before ever in a fight and in fact have them say that they adapted his style because it worked for him. But knowing MMA as well as I do for the past 15+ years, I Have not seen that ever be the case.

It is really no different that someone saying so and so uses the back fist because Cater uses it and is affective for him.

People will use it. It won't be any more or less than they have in the past. MMA just doesn't work like that. It is a fight. %99 of the time nothing turns out like they plan it.