This is a discussion on Unpopular Music Opinions within the Music Room forums, part of the Entertainment Forums category; Originally Posted by KenTheKiller
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Well CMD... Stone Sour are ftw so that's not necessarily a bad thing. Slipknot now mix hard songs, soft songs, radio friendly hard rock songs, etc. in their albums, even some atmospheric songs. Some prefer it this way, myself included, some don't.
To me that just makes it seem like they've lost the passion. Their shows seem more about lighting and how much of show they put on now. They never come off as singing from the heart but rather trying to come up with cleaver lyrics and songs that can be played on the radio. I just don't see that drive in them like they use to have. It is like they have no challenge in front of them knowing they can sell almost anything they want. I mean, they have Slipknot loose leaf paper. Where do you go after that if you know you can sell paper with just your band name. I see StoneSour and Murderdolls and a much more passion driven group of individuals.
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Originally Posted by CM Punk
"I'm harder than any alcohol you can drink. I'm straighter than any line you can snort up your nose. And I certainly can hurt you a lot faster than any pill you put on your tongue."
I hate ICP, White trash music. So white lower class kids/adults can continue to drink cheaply made soda, paint their faces like flea market clowns; and wear the latest urban fashions from 2002, and feel like they belong in some imaginative scene that makes them look unique and original.
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And when there is no hope,
"I'll smoke some crack, I'll shoot some dope!"
When theres no enemies,
"I sit and stare at my T.V.
and in my ignorance,
I'll be a slave and sycophant!"
So if Nirvana were truly musically revolutionary, they changed music - not altered the popular music landscape, but actually changed and influenced music - as much as the likes of The Beatles, The Velvet Underground, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, the Sex Pistols, Pink Floyd, or the Ramones? I'm sorry, as much as I love the work of Nirvana, I can't see that to be true.
Now if you want to lump them with other great bands and artists who changed the landscape of popular music and had a great deal of influence and sold a ton of records, then I'm with you. Put Nirvana with the Rolling Stones, Korn, Guns n' Roses, Michael Jackson, and yes, even Elvis.
Alright. Your just splitting hairs here trying to be right. Take The Beatles, Sabbath, and Ramones/VU/Pistols.
Look at when they came along, look at how they affected the scene around them, and look how their effects are still felt today. Nirvana did the same thing. Arguing that point with me is silly, if you ask me.
Im not putting Nirvana on Rocks Mt Rushmore, Ive stated 3 times my "meh"-ness toweards them. If I die before I hear No Apologies or Lithium again, Ill die a happy man.
One day, people were having "nuthin but a good time". Next day, they were wearing flannels and blasting Nevermind like nobodies business. The effect they had on mainstream america (and the planet) are indisputable.
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Alright. Your just splitting hairs here trying to be right. Take The Beatles, Sabbath, and Ramones/VU/Pistols.
Look at when they came along, look at how they affected the scene around them, and look how their effects are still felt today. Nirvana did the same thing. Arguing that point with me is silly, if you ask me.
Im not putting Nirvana on Rocks Mt Rushmore, Ive stated 3 times my "meh"-ness toweards them. If I die before I hear No Apologies or Lithium again, Ill die a happy man.
One day, people were having "nuthin but a good time". Next day, they were wearing flannels and blasting Nevermind like nobodies business. The effect they had on mainstream america (and the planet) are indisputable.
Not trying to split hairs, but to me there is a big difference between influencing pop culture and popular music to actually being "musically revolutionary". That was my entire point from the intial statement. Perhaps its my mistake for not clarifying what I meant. No doubt that Nirvana brought grunge mainstream and that affected plenty... but I can't get past the fact that they didn't create what they popularized, and what bothers me is when they are given credit for it. Give them credit for popularizing and bringing it into popular culture, by all means, but do not give them credit for creating.
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Not trying to split hairs, but to me there is a big difference between influencing pop culture and popular music to actually being "musically revolutionary". That was my entire point from the intial statement. Perhaps its my mistake for not clarifying what I meant. No doubt that Nirvana brought grunge mainstream and that affected plenty... but I can't get past the fact that they didn't create what they popularized, and what bothers me is when they are given credit for it. Give them credit for popularizing and bringing it into popular culture, by all means, but do not give them credit for creating.
To be fair, Nirvana is a more pop grunge type of band then full grunge. Although they did incorporate a lot of different styles in the short time they were around. Just as Alice In Chains was more of a metal version of grunge. Nirvana was the perfect poster boy to pick because they were catchy and poppy, something a lot of their counterparts didn't necessarily have.
Or at least that is how I always saw it. I never really saw Nirvana as the true spirit of grunge but yet the chosen ones of the genre. Kurt was obviously a huge fan of pop music as well as punk. Hence songs like "In Bloom" and "About A Girl".
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"I'm harder than any alcohol you can drink. I'm straighter than any line you can snort up your nose. And I certainly can hurt you a lot faster than any pill you put on your tongue."
To be fair, Nirvana is a more pop grunge type of band then full grunge. Although they did incorporate a lot of different styles in the short time they were around. Just as Alice In Chains was more of a metal version of grunge. Nirvana was the perfect poster boy to pick because they were catchy and poppy, something a lot of their counterparts didn't necessarily have.
Or at least that is how I always saw it. I never really saw Nirvana as the true spirit of grunge but yet the chosen ones of the genre. Kurt was obviously a huge fan of pop music as well as punk. Hence songs like "In Bloom" and "About A Girl".
True. Alice In Chains were a lot darker. Their first two albums in particular (Facelift, 1990 and Dirt, 1992) are extremely dark and depressing throughout pretty much, and I don't think this sort of sound ever had as much potential to appeal to a mainstream audience as Nirvana did.
Alice in Chains were undoubtedly better musicians and a better band in my book, they just wern't as accessible to a mainstream audience.
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True. Alice In Chains were a lot darker. Their first two albums in particular (Facelift, 1990 and Dirt, 1992) are extremely dark and depressing throughout pretty much, and I don't think this sort of sound ever had as much potential to appeal to a mainstream audience as Nirvana did.
Alice in Chains were undoubtedly better musicians and a better band in my book, they just wern't as accessible to a mainstream audience.
If you want to talk about complexity in the music they played, of course. Nirvana wasn't meant to be complex it was simple and catchy which is why I love it so much. I can sing along to the songs and they have passion. Although I'm sure most of them were written while Kurt was strung out on heroin Nirvana is still one of my favorite bands of all time. Not for the hit songs as much for the songs like "Tourette's" and "Very Ape". The songs that had a lot of drive. Although I don't think there is a Nirvana song I don't like.
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"I'm harder than any alcohol you can drink. I'm straighter than any line you can snort up your nose. And I certainly can hurt you a lot faster than any pill you put on your tongue."
Nirvana was mildy influenced by Black Flag and Sonic Youth. Also, they were trying to take the popular forluma at the time that no one could master, soft-loud-soft, and they wrote commercial-attractive songs.
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I pretty much only like Heart-Shaped Box and Come As You are lol. Not really my thing.
Unpopular opinion: Load by Metallica is a very good album.
I liked both Load and ReLoad. Not my favorite work by Metallica, but I didn't mind the bluesy influence. It was St. Anger where things fell off, in my opinion. But I do very much like Death Magnetic.
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