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Old 10-29-2008, 06:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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UFC 91 Discussion thread
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=780 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><TABLE class=listing cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TH width=88>Date Time:</TH><TD>Nov-15-2008 7pm PT / 10pm ET </TD></TR><TR><TH noWrap width=88>Event Type:</TH><TD>PPV Live</TD></TR><TR><TH width=88>Location:</TH><TD>MGM Grand Garden Arena, Nevada</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD width=390> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width=10></TD><TD><TABLE class=listing cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TH vAlign=top width=88>Description:</TH><TD>It's the biggest fight in mixed martial arts history! 3-time UFC® Heavyweight Champ Randy "The Natural" Couture returns to the Octagon™ and puts his title on the line against the biggest opponent of his career, wrestling powerhouse Brock Lesnar. Can the legend prevail? Or will a new hero rise?
UFC® 91: Couture vs. Lesnar - Saturday, November 15, live on Pay-Per-View from the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, NV.
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<FORM action=index.cfm?fa=EventDetail.AddFightCardPollDa ta&Mode=PollResult&EID=1645&Mode=PollResults method=post><INPUT type=hidden value=1645 name=EventID> <TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR class=data_title><TD colSpan=7>Randy Couture Vs. Brock Lesnar </TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD width=15> </TD><TD vAlign=top width=150><TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Name:</TD><TD>Randy Couture</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Height:</TD><TD>6' 2" (188 cm)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Weight:</TD><TD>220 (100 kg)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Record:</TD><TD>15-8-0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD vAlign=top width=185>

"The Natural"
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</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right width=150><TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Name:</TD><TD>Brock Lesnar </TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Height:</TD><TD>6' 3" (191 cm)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Weight:</TD><TD>265 (120 kg)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Record: </TD><TD>2-1-0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD vAlign=top align=right width=185>

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<TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR class=data_title><TD colSpan=7>Kenny Florian Vs. Joe Stevenson </TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD width=15> </TD><TD vAlign=top width=150><TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Name:</TD><TD>Kenny Florian</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Height:</TD><TD>5' 10" (178 cm)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Weight:</TD><TD>155 (70 kg)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Record:</TD><TD>12-3-0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD vAlign=top width=185>

"KenFlo"
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</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right width=150><TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Name:</TD><TD>Joe Stevenson </TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Height:</TD><TD>5' 7" (170 cm)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Weight:</TD><TD>155 (70 kg)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Record: </TD><TD>34-8-0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD vAlign=top align=right width=185>

"Daddy"
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<TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR class=data_title><TD colSpan=7>Amir Sadollah Vs. Nick Catone </TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD width=15> </TD><TD vAlign=top width=150><TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Name:</TD><TD>Amir Sadollah</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Height:</TD><TD>5' 11" (180 cm)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Weight:</TD><TD>185 (84 kg)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Record:</TD><TD>2-0-0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD vAlign=top width=185>

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</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right width=150><TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Name:</TD><TD>Nick Catone </TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Height:</TD><TD>5' 9" (175 cm)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Weight:</TD><TD>185 (84 kg)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Record: </TD><TD>6-0-0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD vAlign=top align=right width=185>

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<TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR class=data_title><TD colSpan=7>Gabriel Gonzaga Vs. Josh Hendricks </TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD width=15> </TD><TD vAlign=top width=150><TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Name:</TD><TD>Gabriel Gonzaga</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Height:</TD><TD>6' 1" (185 cm)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Weight:</TD><TD>242 (110 kg)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Record:</TD><TD>9-3-0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD vAlign=top width=185>

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</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right width=150><TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Name:</TD><TD>Josh Hendricks </TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Height:</TD><TD>6' 2" (188 cm)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Weight:</TD><TD>246 (112 kg)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Record: </TD><TD>15-4-0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD vAlign=top align=right width=185>

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<TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR class=data_title><TD colSpan=7>Nate Quarry Vs. Demian Maia </TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD width=15> </TD><TD vAlign=top width=150><TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Name:</TD><TD>Nate Quarry</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Height:</TD><TD>6' 0" (183 cm)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Weight:</TD><TD>185 (84 kg)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Record:</TD><TD>16-2-0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD vAlign=top width=185>

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</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right width=150><TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Name:</TD><TD>Demian Maia </TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Height:</TD><TD>6' 0" (183 cm)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Weight:</TD><TD>185 (84 kg)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Record: </TD><TD>9-0-0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD vAlign=top align=right width=185>

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<TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR class=data_title><TD colSpan=7>Dustin Hazelett Vs. Tamdan McCrory </TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD width=15> </TD><TD vAlign=top width=150><TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Name:</TD><TD>Dustin Hazelett</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Height:</TD><TD>6' 1" (185 cm)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Weight:</TD><TD>170 (77 kg)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Record:</TD><TD>13-4-0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD vAlign=top width=185>

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</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right width=150><TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Name:</TD><TD>Tamdan McCrory </TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Height:</TD><TD>6' 4" (193 cm)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Weight:</TD><TD>170 (77 kg)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Record: </TD><TD>11-1-0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD vAlign=top align=right width=185>

"The Barn Cat"
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<TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR class=data_title><TD colSpan=7>Jorge Gurgel Vs. Aaron Riley </TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD width=15> </TD><TD vAlign=top width=150><TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Name:</TD><TD>Jorge Gurgel</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Height:</TD><TD>5' 9" (175 cm)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Weight:</TD><TD>155 (70 kg)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Record:</TD><TD>15-4-0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD vAlign=top width=185>

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</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right width=150><TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Name:</TD><TD>Aaron Riley </TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Height:</TD><TD>5' 11" (180 cm)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Weight:</TD><TD>170 (77 kg)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Record: </TD><TD>11-5-0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD vAlign=top align=right width=185>

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<TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR class=data_title><TD colSpan=7>Jeremy Stephens Vs. Rafael dos Anjos </TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD width=15> </TD><TD vAlign=top width=150><TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Name:</TD><TD>Jeremy Stephens</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Height:</TD><TD>5' 9" (175 cm)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Weight:</TD><TD>155 (70 kg)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Record:</TD><TD>15-3-0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD vAlign=top width=185>

"Lil' Heathen"
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<TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR class=data_title><TD colSpan=7>Alvin Robinson Vs. Mark Bocek </TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD width=15> </TD><TD vAlign=top width=150><TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Name:</TD><TD>Alvin Robinson</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Height:</TD><TD>5' 8" (173 cm)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Weight:</TD><TD>155 (70 kg)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Record:</TD><TD>10-3-0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD vAlign=top width=185>

"Kid"
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</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right width=150><TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Name:</TD><TD>Mark Bocek </TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Height:</TD><TD>5' 8" (173 cm)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Weight:</TD><TD>155 (70 kg)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Record: </TD><TD>5-2-0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD vAlign=top align=right width=185>

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<TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR class=data_title><TD colSpan=7>Matt Riddle Vs. Ryan Thomas </TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD width=15> </TD><TD vAlign=top width=150><TABLE class=data_table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Name:</TD><TD>Matt Riddle</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Height:</TD><TD>6' 1" (185 cm)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Weight:</TD><TD>185 (84 kg)</TD></TR><TR class=data_row><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Record:</TD><TD>1-0-0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD vAlign=top width=185>

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"The Tank Engine"
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Re: UFC 91 Discussion thread
Nate Quarry Vs. Demian Maia:
Ok, this is a fight Im really looking forward to. Quarry has incredible knock out power, but Maia is just phenomenal on the ground. His bjj is out of this world, and if Quarry wants to win this, he has to keep it standing and make it a cardio game. Tough fight, its a coin toss really, but I think I'll go with Maia here.

Kenny Florian Vs. Joe Stevenson:
Kenny Florian by decision here. Stevenson is good and all and on the floor he is a genius, but Kenny imo is second only to BJ Penn in the lightweight division. It's not going to be easy for Kenny here, and I dont think he will finish Joe, but he should pull it off.

Randy Couture Vs. Brock Lesnar:
Randy Couture is 45 yrs old. Randy Couture is only 220 lbs. Randy Couture hasn't fought in over 15 months. He is fighting a guy only 31 yrs old. He is fighting a guy who weights 265 lbs and all of that weight is muscle.

I think I'll go with Couture here.
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Nate Quarry Vs. Demian Maia:
I always like Nate Quarry, I don't really know much about Maia.

I say Nate Quarry takes this one.

Kenny Florian Vs. Joe Stevenson:
Florian is tough. I say Florian will take this one by decision.

Randy Couture Vs. Brock Lesnar:
This one is going to be tough for Couture. I can't bet against Couture though. Experience will prevail over raw power.

Couture wins it.
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Re: UFC 91 Discussion thread
Randy Couture Vs. Brock Lesnar :

I got Brock through the same way he dominated Heath Herring, don't bother playing the jitz game and just holding Randy down for 5 rounds.

Kenny Florian Vs. Joe Stevenson

KenFlo has better top game jitz and better striking along with better cardio along with a better reach, it's KenFlo's fight to lose but I'm picking him over Daddy.

Amir Sadollah Vs. Nick Catone

Amir via heart. Though Nick Catone is a decent wrestler (I saw one of his fights on HDNet) I think Amir will pull out another sick armbar.

Gabriel Gonzaga Vs. Josh Hendricks

Gabe looked very good his last fight, and finally realized the ground he where he belongs espicially on top, he has the most dominant jitz game from the top in the heavyweight division.

Nate Quarry Vs. Demian Maia

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Really looking forward to this show now I see the other fights. Wasn't really bothered when it was just Couture/Lesnar cos I just don't think Lesnar is in any position to be challenging for the title. But Kenny Florian and Nate Quarry are favourites of mine, so I'm liking the line-up for this one.
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I won't ever bet against Randy again. So I'll take him in the fight, but as a Randy fan I'm a bit worried. It's weird though, because I also really like Lesnar, and a small part of me wants him to wind to silence the people who say he doesn't belong in the UFC.
My best case scenario is Lesnar puts up a good fight and wins in defeat.

We should get to see Nate fight a real fight this time, which is great.

Joe/Kenflo. Kenflo could hang back and wait for a title shot, but instead he likes to fight and I love that. Should be a great fight. Hope Kenny wins because BJ already beat Joe.

Hope we get to see the Bocek fight, the man has great heart and fights out of Xtreme Couture here in Toronto.
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Totally boycotting this ppv.

Lesnar/Couture both ftL, Riddles fight will be downloaded though, I love that kid.
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I won't ever bet against Randy again. So I'll take him in the fight, but as a Randy fan I'm a bit worried. It's weird though, because I also really like Lesnar, and a small part of me wants him to wind to silence the people who say he doesn't belong in the UFC.
My best case scenario is Lesnar puts up a good fight and wins in defeat.

We should get to see Nate fight a real fight this time, which is great.

Joe/Kenflo. Kenflo could hang back and wait for a title shot, but instead he likes to fight and I love that. Should be a great fight. Hope Kenny wins because BJ already beat Joe.

Hope we get to see the Bocek fight, the man has great heart and fights out of Xtreme Couture here in Toronto.
How the hell does that make sense...
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Re: UFC 91 Discussion thread
By showing a lot of heart, a good gas tank and solid skills. No shame in a loss to Randy. It is very possible to win respect and fans in a loss.

I simply phrased it poorly above.
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Re: UFC 91 Discussion thread
Why would he care if fans cheer for him or boo him?

I can just imagine the thoughts

Lesnar: I may have lost the title, lost to a man who is over 40, lost to a man who is 80 pounds lighter than me, and lost over 100,000 dollars in potential earnings...but hey at least the fans cheered me.

Totally see your point.
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