Kimbo Slice

The Hammer · 02-15-2008, 02:02 PM

First that was the only example in the first one. Second, it does matter if Dana was running the UFC because when he started running it a whole regime of owners were inplace. So that group is now doing the contracts not the same people as now, so OTHER people allowed that fight to happen. NOW Dana goes thru all the contracts and will not let his people fight in diff promotions.

For GSP who knows what his contract entails.

Big thing, Two completley different UFC's you are comparing.

Dakstang · 02-15-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Hammer

When Dana was managing Chuck and Tito he did not run the UFC. He is not legally allowed to do both due to conflict of interest. So that example is null and void.

At that time he was trying to do what he thought was best for his fighter not for the UFC which he had nothing to do with. He just managed fighters.

As for Cro-Crop, all that quote show me is he can come back when he feels like it lawl, but regardless he let him go.

As for Fedor, its nice to put out a statement you know you will never have to back up since Dana will not let his champs fight anywhere else. Which according to you he very well knows from his contract negotiations with him.

It's any ufc fighter, not just champs. The fighter could leave the ufc, fight one fight, and make the same cash that normally takes them a year or more and 4 fights. They wouldn't have to leave though. The UFC could agree to co-promote the fight with M-1. The UFC has done this before when Gracie fought Hughes when he was under K-1 contract.

You argue that Fedor is scared. Dana seems to be the one scared by not allowing his fighters to fight outside the organization for fear of them losing. On a co-promotion M-1 could agree to just take 20% of the ppv buys or just a flat fee. Dana is not confident that his fighter would win.

I'll leave you with this:

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Originally Posted by graciemag.com

â€œI just hope people understand that the problems [with Zuffa] werenâ€™t about the money,â€ [Joachim] Hansen said. â€œIt was about them treating me with honor and keeping their word. I would rather fight for free, then to bend down to them. My soul is not for sale. Anyways, now Iâ€™m a free man, and everything will be as it was,â€ explained the former Pride fighter.

Hansen disdains UFC

Dakstang · 02-15-2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Hammer

First that was the only example in the first one. Second, it does matter if Dana was running the UFC because when he started running it a whole regime of owners were inplace. So that group is now doing the contracts not the same people as now, so OTHER people allowed that fight to happen. NOW Dana goes thru all the contracts and will not let his people fight in diff promotions.

For GSP who knows what his contract entails.

Big thing, Two completley different UFC's you are comparing.

Old ufc allowed it.

Old Dana persuaded the old ufc to allow it.

Now he has changed his mind.

It's not rocket science.

Several other fighers are allowed to fight in smaller orgs while under ufc contracts. I've heard it is because they can build up some wins on their records. Dana will not chance a loss on those he has built up though. He was confident Hughes would beat Gracie.

What about the fact that Dana has called Fedor a "farce" and "not even top 10" and then more recently called him "number 5 hw." I don't want to have to locate this info for you. If you are as big of an mma fan as you claim to be surely you've seen this or can locate the info for youself.

The Hammer · 02-15-2008, 02:07 PM

[quote=Also, with the Couture lawsuit filed by the UFC, the UFC is not bringing up the promotional (fight) contract because they fear any sane judge would look at the contract and rule it unconscionable for being so one-sided.[/QUOTE]

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Cuban's HDNet Fights Enters Couture-UFC War

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February 15, 2008
by Adam Swift (aswift@sherdog.com)

The resignation of Randy Couture (Pictures) and his subsequent continuous dispute with the UFC took an unexpected turn Wednesday.

With the mixed martial arts industry focused on the Zuffa v. Couture proceedings scheduled to begin with a preliminary hearing March 4 in Las Vegas, billionaire Mark Cuban and his HDNet Fights company has quietly entered the fray, opening a second front in the Couture-UFC war, Sherdog.com has learned.

On Wednesday, in district court in Dallas, HDNet Fights filed suit against Zuffa seeking a declaratory judgment concerning the contractual status of Couture under his Zuffa promotional contract. In an ironic twist, Zuffa's co-defendant in the suit is technically none other than Couture himself.

Couture had fired the first shot in what has become a heated legal battle when he officially resigned from the UFC on Oct. 11, 2007. A war of words ensued -- complete with dueling news conferences and frequent, often testy, verbal sparring in the media -- that culminated in a lawsuit filed by Zuffa in Nevada district court on Jan. 14.

The lawsuit filed by HDNet Fights asks the Texas court to provide the company with declaratory relief -- a ruling on when Couture's promotional contract will expire. A favorable ruling could clear the way for a highly anticipated showdown between Couture and Fedor Emelianenko (Pictures) this fall, potentially promoted by HDNet Fights.

The Texas lawsuit represents the first direct legal challenge of Couture's promotional contract with the UFC. As Sherdog.com first reported, it is Couture's employment contract and its one-year non-compete clause, not his promotional contract, that is at the center of Zuffa's complaint against Couture in Nevada. Zuffa has not entered the promotional contract into evidence in that case; however, it has offered the judge the opportunity to view it in private.

Couture's contractual status, pursuant to his promotional contract, has been hotly debated since his resignation. UFC President Dana White has been resolute in his stance that Couture owes the UFC two more fights due to a so-called "retirement clause" reportedly found in Couture's contract.

In a letter made public in recent court filings, White responded to Couture's resignation: "With regard to your fighting career, I presume that your letter refers to your Exclusive Promotional and Ancillary Rights Agreement dated January 19, 2007 ("Agreement"). Pursuant to Section 10.3 of the Agreement, I presume that you have decided to â€˜retire' from MMA or other professional fighting competition. Assuming that is your intention, Zuffa, LLC is electing to suspend the Term of the Agreement for the period of such retirement."

Couture has stated publicly that he believes his promotional contract expires at the end of its term, believed to be 18 months. If that is the case, following the expiration of the non-compete clause in his employment contract in October, he would be free to fight outside the UFC this fall.

sherdog.com

This says they showed it to the judge in private. They are bringing it in to evidence cause they don't care, they are worried about his non-compete agreement. Which is smart, who wants their reigning champ to quite and go somewhere else, especially when he is still under contract.

Dakstang · 02-15-2008, 02:10 PM

They aren't suing for that contract. Maybe you should study the suit. They aren't suing for fight contract. They are suing because his name was used in an IFL promotion-"team couture." They are also suing because at Couture's press conference he discussed his contract, which is a breach.

The Hammer · 02-15-2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dakstang

Old ufc allowed it.

Old Dana persuaded the old ufc to allow it.

Now he has changed his mind.

It's not rocket science.

Several other fighers are allowed to fight in smaller orgs while under ufc contracts. I've heard it is because they can build up some wins on their records. Dana will not chance a loss on those he has built up though. He was confident Hughes would beat Gracie.

What about the fact that Dana has called Fedor a "farce" and "not even top 10" and then more recently called him "number 5 hw." I don't want to have to locate this info for you. If you are as big of an mma fan as you claim to be surely you've seen this or can locate the info for youself.

Dana changed his mind cause he is in a different role. Before it was most money for the fighter cause the more they make, the more he makes as manager. Now he fights for the UFC not the fighter. Your right its not Rocket Science....its business.

On a side note, I did not insult you, so please refrain from insulting me.

IMO Fedor is bullshit. Going to weaker competition then calling out champs from a company that you know will not let them fight you. Doesn't take balls to say you want to fight people that you will not be able to and know you won't.

Also, I do not like Dana. He fucks fighters sometimes, but he also keeps MMA up. When he talked his friends into buying UFC they were about to go under. He brought it to where it is and think if there was no UFC. Would we be having this discussion?

The Hammer · 02-15-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dakstang

They aren't suing for that contract. Maybe you should study the suit. They aren't suing for fight contract. They are suing because his name was used in an IFL promotion-"team couture." They are also suing because at Couture's press conference he discussed his contract, which is a breach.

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The Texas lawsuit represents the first direct legal challenge of Couture's promotional contract with the UFC. As Sherdog.com first reported, it is Couture's employment contract and its one-year non-compete clause, not his promotional contract, that is at the center of Zuffa's complaint against Couture in Nevada. Zuffa has not entered the promotional contract into evidence in that case; however, it has offered the judge the opportunity to view it in private.

Read please. Non-Compete means your name, you, or your likeness cannot be used in another promotion.

Randy Orton · 02-15-2008, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by yankeesman77

Check some these clips out, He's a beast and I'm pretty sure he can become the next big thing in MMA.

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lol i love the first one when he stands there and just lets the other guy hit him and it doesnt do shit

Dakstang · 02-15-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Hammer

Read please. Non-Compete means your name, you, or your likeness cannot be used in another promotion.

The IFL used his name without telling him (according to Randy) because the fighters on the team are from Extreme Couture, his gym. The UFC is also not allowing Extreme Couture fighters in the UFC to wear any clothing with Extreme Couture on it. Randy isn't with another organization. Whatever the outcomeof the UFC's suit it still would not prevent him from fighting. The non-compete clause in his employee contract being ruled on does not affect his promotional contract. They'll have to wait until Randy actually fights in another organization before they can do that (ripeness). The announcement of a fight might allow them to file an injunction to prevent the fight. Just the possibility of him fighting in another org is not enough though. If the fight was out of the country the court couldn't prevent it.

BTW I think Kimbo will beat Tank in the 1st by brutal ko.

The Hammer · 02-15-2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dakstang

The IFL used his name without telling him (according to Randy) because the fighters on the team are from Extreme Couture, his gym. The UFC is also not allowing Extreme Couture fighters in the UFC to wear any clothing with Extreme Couture on it. Randy isn't with another organization. Whatever the outcomeof the UFC's suit it still would not prevent him from fighting. The non-compete clause in his employee contract being ruled on does not affect his promotional contract. They'll have to wait until Randy actually fights in another organization before they can do that (ripeness). The announcement of a fight might allow them to file an injunction to prevent the fight. Just the possibility of him fighting in another org is not enough though. If the fight was out of the country the court couldn't prevent it.

Read all 13 pages of the suit, hate reading those things. In regards to it, we are both right.

And we are in complete agreement about Kimbo vs. Tank

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