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Old 11-06-2009, 04:19 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Re: Henderson Leaving UFC?

Hendo isn't worth seven figure anything, not per fight, not a signing bonus, he's got what at most 2 solid years left that means at most 6 fights that's the very most.

He already got owned once by Anderson I wouldn't pay him that much.
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Re: Henderson Leaving UFC?

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Hendo isn't worth seven figure anything, not per fight, not a signing bonus, he's got what at most 2 solid years left that means at most 6 fights that's the very most.

He already got owned once by Anderson I wouldn't pay him that much.
I would disagree with the "2 solid years left" part, but not the rest. Its impossible to say how long Hendo has left. I'm actually surprised he hasn't shown any skill decay or age decline at this point, but he really does seem to be as good as ever. The risk comes from not knowing if he really only has one more high level fight in him or if he's capable of emulating Couture and fighting at a high level well into his 40s.

But I do agree that Henderson is not worth elite money to the UFC. One of my favorite fighters, but he isn't a draw the same way that GSP or Lesnar are. Unless he beats Anderson Silva, he never will be. He's a very good fighter with very good name value, but he's not marquee for the UFC. So combined with the age factor, it just doesn't make good business sense to pay him on the same level as your truly top few guys. I understand the many reasons Henderson would want to be paid that way, but from the UFC side, it doesn't make sense.

The thing is that he might be worth that kind of money to Strike Force. And that might be part of why he's asking for that kind of money out of the UFC. Because simply put, Hendo has more value to SF. In the UFC, he's a near-elite fighter who is not a marquee name and is not the best in his current weight class. To SF, he is a near-elite fighter who would be a marquee name for them due to his name value, who would be the centerpiece of the MW division, and he comes in having beaten some of the UFC's top MW talent (outside of Silva).
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Re: Henderson Leaving UFC?

I dont think there's anything wrong with Hendo asking for huge money. Does he deserve it? Damn right he does. He is a great fighter and pretty good draw. I wouldnt say he is the top fighter in the world, but he is up there.

Asking for a pay raise doesnt make him greedy...we all know that a fighter career's span is short and guys like Hendo better make the money now while they can.

Does Hendo asking for big money makes him a greedy fighter? Does the UFC not offering him what he wants makes them greedy? You can play this game both ways.

Anyway, comon guys, its a business and at the end of the day, I dont understand why people take "The Man"'s side. Plus, its not like the UFC is not making any profit.
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Re: Henderson Leaving UFC?

What has Hendo done in the UFC? Lost his two biggest fights to Rampage and Silva. Beat Palhares, contro win (with help of an eye gouge) over Franklin and KO'd Bisping.

Now lets assume this is over big money like a seven figure in some way, either a signing bonus or per fight but seven figures are involved.

If a 3-2 record in the UFC with you losing in your two biggest fights (once badly) is worth a seven figure contract then what is GSP or Silva worth?
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Re: Henderson Leaving UFC?

I would bet that GSP and Sliva get much more than what Hendo is asking for.

We simply don't know the details so discussing this is useless.
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Re: Henderson Leaving UFC?

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What has Hendo done in the UFC? Lost his two biggest fights to Rampage and Silva. Beat Palhares, contro win (with help of an eye gouge) over Franklin and KO'd Bisping.

Now lets assume this is over big money like a seven figure in some way, either a signing bonus or per fight but seven figures are involved.

If a 3-2 record in the UFC with you losing in your two biggest fights (once badly) is worth a seven figure contract then what is GSP or Silva worth?
Thats not the point at all. Hendo is worth whatever he thinks he is worth, but you can not call him greedy for asking whatever he asked for. UFC doesn't wanna pay him, fine, he'll go somewhere else.

Also, did you ever think that maybe the UFC pays their athletes WAY too low? Why is it that whenever a fighter has contract problems with the UFC, it's always the fighter being irrational and greedy?

...and about the GSP and Silva comment, maybe Hendo deserves the seven figure contract and GSP and Silva double that.
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Re: Henderson Leaving UFC?

Whether or not the UFC overall pays their athletes low I'm talking about the facts and GSP from what we see gets something like 500k to 750k not exactly sure so why does Hendo think he deserves more than that? GSP is a HUGE draw in Canada, he's a champion, and he has an incredible record in the UFC.

I'm talking about comparatively you are getting into a whole different argument.
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Whether or not the UFC overall pays their athletes low I'm talking about the facts and GSP from what we see gets something like 500k to 750k not exactly sure so why does Hendo think he deserves more than that? GSP is a HUGE draw in Canada, he's a champion, and he has an incredible record in the UFC.

I'm talking about comparatively you are getting into a whole different argument.
That is what is reported. They get paid much more than actually reported.
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Whether or not the UFC overall pays their athletes low I'm talking about the facts and GSP from what we see gets something like 500k to 750k not exactly sure so why does Hendo think he deserves more than that? GSP is a HUGE draw in Canada, he's a champion, and he has an incredible record in the UFC.

I'm talking about comparatively you are getting into a whole different argument.
Ok, let me give you an example.

There is this construction company. They pay $10/hr for their labourers and $15/hr for their supervisors. The labourer goes to the boss and says he wants $22/hr. The boss says: "Do you really think you deserve more than my supervisor?" Thats not the point. He doesnt deserve more than the supervisor, but he deserves $22/hr...that's the standard wage for a labourer. The fact is, the company is paying way too low for their workers.

Now, Hendo feels he deserves whatever money he asked for and whatever GSP makes is irrevelant.
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Ok, let me give you an example.

There is this construction company. They pay $10/hr for their labourers and $15/hr for their supervisors. The labourer goes to the boss and says he wants $22/hr. The boss says: "Do you really think you deserve more than my supervisor?" Thats not the point. He doesnt deserve more than the supervisor, but he deserves $22/hr...that's the standard wage for a labourer. The fact is, the company is paying way too low for their workers.

Now, Hendo feels he deserves whatever money he asked for and whatever GSP makes is irrevelant.
With bringing up what another companies pays, you are looking at external market value. Most people don't look beyond the internal market value of the UFC. I think you can make a pretty compelling arguement that to Strike Force, Henderson would be worth elite money, on par with what GSP is getting. So its pretty straight ahead logic - if I'm worth X to SF, then I should also be worth X to the UFC.
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