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You didn't adress that he has his own MMA apparel line, regardless to the money that he has earned through fight money over the years, he has money, it's pretty apparent that he has.
If he was desperate for money then he would have settled for what Dana was willing to offer. Him and Dana are friends, if he was having financial troubles then Dana would have given it to him surely.
Do you know what kind of profit that Clinch gear is generating? How much of that profit comes directly to Henderson? It is being invested back into the company, into Team Quest, or into other revenue generating sources? Again, unless you know all the details, you don't know.
Never said he was destitute. But there is a notable difference between having the income to support a comfortable lifestyle and being able to build a nest-egg of sufficient size to ensure your future and that of your children. Who doesn't want that security? Hendo isn't young. He might be able to fight into his mid 40s like Couture or he could be done in a year or two. Will the income from his clothing line support him and his family at that point? If you were him, would you bank your future on that? Perhaps he already has a huge nest-egg and really is just being greedy. But without knowing, I am not going to make assumptions.
Dana White is a businessman first and foremost. He has not shown personal relationships to take precedent over business decisions thus far. I doubt it starts now.
In any type of sports, it is common for athletes to want one more big payday. You see it all the time. It doesn't matter how much they've made through their career, you rarely see them playing for peanuts, not when they can still perform at a fairly high level. Should they just take the a relatively minimal amount and be happy to still be at the highest level, as you suggest Hendo should? Respect comes into it. So does their financial situation. But again, unless you are part of that situation, you just don't know.
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There is a slight difference in my eyes between trying to get a salary big enough to support your future, family and their futures and wanting to make yourself the highest paid fighter on the UFC roster. Yes Dana could be blowing smoke out of his ass but that is what Dana came out and said, that Dan was requesting enough money to make him the most well paid fighter in the UFC and although not said, that would likely also make him to most well paid mixed martial artist on the planet. You can be paid plenty to secure a future before you reach the top of the payment ladder.#
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He has not shown personal relationships to take precedent over business decisions thus far.
Tito Ortiz.
Again we go back to him wanting to be the most well paid fighter in the UFC which if you hadn't heard before, you have now. Not sure I need to adress any of that last paragraph because of that.
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I don't think he is trying to be the most well paid fighter in the UFC by any stretch of the imagination.
He knows he isn't on that level and I don't think he would ask for that much.
Hendo said himself that he knows some of the other fighters get more than what he is asking for.
It is a common tactic for Dana to try and lower a fighters salary when it is time re re-sign. I would say that this is the case here.
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"Best paid fighter in the UFC" is such an open statement. Is that talking about guaranteed money per fight? Is that taking into account a signing bonus (Hendo was apparently asking for a huge one)? PPV cut? Champion bonuses? Without Dana getting into specifics - which he hasn't, won't, and probably shouldn't do - I take that with a huge grain of salt.
The situation between Tito Ortiz and Dana White actually confirms my statement. Dana White puts business ahead of friendship (or hatred). Yes, Ortiz was allowed to walk away from the UFC despite still being a marketable, drawing name and that was due to the relationship between the two (and supposedly what Oritz was asking for, so business as well). But Ortiz is now back and headlining a PPV. Because despite the poor personal relationship between the two, it was good business for the UFC to bring back a fighter with drawing power and a deal well below what he was demanding when he left. Good business wins out.
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Out of comments from Dana and Dan, how coincental that you beleive the comments that support your argument lol, at least I was willing to put sceptics on Dana's comments, Dak.
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K, first of all I don't actually know what he was asking for but it's a widespread opinion that he was asking for way too much and simply more than he's worth tbh, which does sound harsh but hey.
Secondly, we don't know how much some fighters make? The salaries get revealed after every show Dak...
not full salaries, PPV cuts and extras don't get released, only bonuses for "Of The Night", Win Bonus and base salaries get released to the public.
But Regardless, Henderson is by my account is worth damn near every penny Strikeforce gives him.
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Out of comments from Dana and Dan, how coincental that you beleive the comments that support your argument lol, at least I was willing to put sceptics on Dana's comments, Dak.
Well it should be a given that these are all rumors.
Dana says one thing, Hendo says another.
But from past experiences, it is a good bet to not believe Dana.
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Take it for what it's worth, but Dana did say he was asking for so much, that he would be by far the highest paid on the UFC roster. Again, it is Dana saying this, so take it lightly.
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I heard a while ago he wanted 7 figures per fight. I won't even bother looking for the link but I read it over at mmaforum.
If that was basic salary plus standard win bonuses, that would put him on the top of the UFC pay scale. If it included potential PPV revenue shares, it would put him on fairly equal standing to the likes of GSP and Lesnar.
I had also heard the "seven figures" thing was about the signing bonus he wanted. So who knows? Its the kind of situation where each side is likely going to spin information to make themselves look "right". But you don't get all the info usually so you never know.
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