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Anderson Silva wants big-money event fights. And he’s willing to work at heavyweight to make sure they happen.
Prior to Silva’s flooring Forrest Griffin earlier this month in Philadelphia, SI.com confirmed that Silva’s representatives had spoken with Zuffa about the heralded UFC middleweight champion moving up to heavyweight for the first time in his career.
Not only that, they already had an opponent in mind: Frank Mir.
Disinterested by middleweight contenders Nathan Marquardt, Demian Maia and Dan Henderson, and unwilling to fight close friend Lyoto Machida at light heavyweight — where Silva could conceivably knock off challengers and make a disaster out of the UFC’s marquee division — “The Spider” needs new, challenging scenarios to stay motivated. A move to heavyweight would certainly achieve that, and according to Silva’s manager Ed Soares, the UFC was receptive to the idea.
Update: We’ve heard back from Silva’s manager Ed Soares, who says that there is “some truth” to the Gross story about Silva moving to heavyweight, but that Silva never asked to fight Frank Mir and has never even talked about any potential heavyweight opponents.
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Take it with a grain of salt, but I believe it is possible. He clearly is not interested in MW. He really can't get too far in the LHW division with his refusal to fight Lyoto. So HW does seem probable, where he can fight anyone and challenge for the title, maybe. He'll be a small HW, but maybe the most skilled. Could work, but I don't understand why he's willing to go all the way up with only 3 fights left on his contract, if this is indeed true.
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I dont care how skilled he is, but it would be tough to win against guys like Mir...against Fedor or Couture, maybe, but Mir is so much bigger than him.
ps:...but then again, he is so fkn gooooooooood lol
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Yeah but facing good ground guys in the heavyweight division, especially the bigger heavyweights is going to be extremely difficult for him since it'll be almost impossible for him to stay on his feet. I don't see why Mir would accept from fight considering he's rebounding from a bad TKO loss and fighting Silva win or lose would do nothing for his status in the heavyweight contenders list.
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I dont care how skilled he is, but it would be tough to win against guys like Mir...against Fedor or Couture, maybe, but Mir is so much bigger than him.
ps:...but then again, he is so fkn gooooooooood lol
Really? You think Fedor - arguably the best fighter in the world and easily accepted as the top heavyweight fighter - would be an easier fight because of a difference of 20 pounds?
Mir is a good sized heavyweight at about 245-250, but he's not huge like Carwin or especially Lesnar. Since Silva can reportedly "walk around" at 215-220, he's not really much smaller than Couture.
Moving up one weight class is usually an iffy proposition, let alone two. But Silva is hardly in a normal situation, all things considered. And if is going to jump, Mir and Couture would really be the best choices for him to face. Skilled enough to give him a challenge and with enough of a name still to be a worthwhile win if Silva triumph. Having Silva move up to face someone like Antonio Hardonk proves litlte - no more than Silva moving up to LHW to face James Irvin did. Fun fight, impressive fiinish, but not really noteworthy.
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Really? You think Fedor - arguably the best fighter in the world and easily accepted as the top heavyweight fighter - would be an easier fight because of a difference of 20 pounds?
Mir is a good sized heavyweight at about 245-250, but he's not huge like Carwin or especially Lesnar. Since Silva can reportedly "walk around" at 215-220, he's not really much smaller than Couture.
Moving up one weight class is usually an iffy proposition, let alone two. But Silva is hardly in a normal situation, all things considered. And if is going to jump, Mir and Couture would really be the best choices for him to face. Skilled enough to give him a challenge and with enough of a name still to be a worthwhile win if Silva triumph. Having Silva move up to face someone like Antonio Hardonk proves litlte - no more than Silva moving up to LHW to face James Irvin did. Fun fight, impressive fiinish, but not really noteworthy.
The Irvin fight was really so Silva could test the waters at light heavyweight. It was a fight they were sure he could win even if his transition to LHW effected him badly. However, I fail to see what he would have to gain by moving up to heavyweight to fight challenges when there is still a division full at LHW.
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Really? You think Fedor - arguably the best fighter in the world and easily accepted as the top heavyweight fighter - would be an easier fight because of a difference of 20 pounds?
Dont get me wrong, Fedor is by far my favourite fighter, but he is a real small Heavyweight and I think weight means so much in this sport or any combat sport for that matter. Anyway, when I named Couture and Fedor, I actually meant he would have a better shot fighting smaller Heavyweights.
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The Irvin fight was really so Silva could test the waters at light heavyweight. It was a fight they were sure he could win even if his transition to LHW effected him badly. However, I fail to see what he would have to gain by moving up to heavyweight to fight challenges when there is still a division full at LHW.
Exactly. The Irvin fight was nothing more than a relatively easy test. It didn't really prove that Silva could get in there against a top LHW. It proved he could beat a pretty mediocre LHW, which you would realistically expect the clear top guy from MW to be able to do.
I think the logic behind Silva possibly jumping to HW is because he can't do much good at LHW. You could argue that he's already become a contender at LHW with his epic destruction of Griffen... but so long as Machida holds the title, Silva is useless as a contender. That fight won't happen, so position it would be turning Silva into a gatekeeper. Much like Franklin was at MW before he jumped. Sure, Silva against Rashad Evans or Rampage Jackson would be very interesting fights and headline caliber... but if they keep one of them away from a title shot and a bigger fight against Machida for the title, its doing more harm than good.
Plus, having Silva (potentially) dominate the long-time marquee division makes some people ask questions about how much quality there really is.
Dont get me wrong, Fedor is by far my favourite fighter, but he is a real small Heavyweight and I think weight means so much in this sport or any combat sport for that matter. Anyway, when I named Couture and Fedor, I actually meant he would have a better shot fighting smaller Heavyweights.
I get what you mean. But then again, if Fedor and Couture are 220-230 and Silva is 215-220 (again, by reports), then he's facing the same size disadvantage at HW, essentially, that they do.
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Exactly. The Irvin fight was nothing more than a relatively easy test. It didn't really prove that Silva could get in there against a top LHW. It proved he could beat a pretty mediocre LHW, which you would realistically expect the clear top guy from MW to be able to do.
I think the logic behind Silva possibly jumping to HW is because he can't do much good at LHW. You could argue that he's already become a contender at LHW with his epic destruction of Griffen... but so long as Machida holds the title, Silva is useless as a contender. That fight won't happen, so position it would be turning Silva into a gatekeeper. Much like Franklin was at MW before he jumped. Sure, Silva against Rashad Evans or Rampage Jackson would be very interesting fights and headline caliber... but if they keep one of them away from a title shot and a bigger fight against Machida for the title, its doing more harm than good.
Plus, having Silva (potentially) dominate the long-time marquee division makes some people ask questions about how much quality there really is.
While I agree with you, he won't be facing Lesnar either so by that logic he has no reason to be fighting at heavyweight unless a truly intriguing challenge falls in his lap.
'And as for fighters like Fedor and Couture, they have great wrestling and balance which keeps them from getting manhandled by bigger and stronger opponents. Silva's wrestling isn't that great at all and he has been taken down by multiple opponents at 185, imagine him fighting Lesnar or Carwin and trying to stay on his feet.
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While I agree with you, he won't be facing Lesnar either so by that logic he has no reason to be fighting at heavyweight unless a truly intriguing challenge falls in his lap.
'And as for fighters like Fedor and Couture, they have great wrestling and balance which keeps them from getting manhandled by bigger and stronger opponents. Silva's wrestling isn't that great at all and he has been taken down by multiple opponents at 185, imagine him fighting Lesnar or Carwin and trying to stay on his feet.
Yup. Agree all the way around.
I guess you could say that at least Lesnar-Silva is a possibility, if unlikely and unnecessary. Or moreso, it could be the people would be less expectant to see Silva go after the title if he's two weight classes above his natural weight instead of just one.
Personally, I don't see what's so bad about having him stay at MW. Have him fight Hendo again. Throw some pseudo-contenders in there and hope he's motivated.
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Seriously they need to just have Anderson face Wanderlei and get it over with already. Let's see who is left standing when that one is over. And honestly Anderson .v. Tito or Chuck would be a big money fight too...
Anderson moving to HW is a disaster waiting to happen, he'll be outweighed by some 30 pounds by Mir, and honestly I don't see him being able to stay on his feet, and if he gets to the ground, I don't see him being able to latch anything on and hold on with enough power to keep Mir locked in a hold long enough to get him to tap.
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