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UFC heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar will meet Shane Carwin in his second title defense at UFC 106 on Nov. 21 at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas.
Sherdog.com has confirmed the news through several sources with knowledge of the agreement. MMAMadness.com was the first to report on the card shift that will see Carwin move from a scheduled bout against Cain Velasquez at UFC 104.
Carwin has not answered calls for comment, but posted a message on his official Web Site Wednesday night.
“I can't confirm or deny anything. I can just tell you guys that I am training harder then ever and your support and loyalty will carry me through any fight they send my way,” he wrote.
Scheduling problems led to the dissolution of the previously agreed to Carwin-Velazquez matchup, according to a UFC source speaking anonymously because they were not authorized speak.
Lesnar, the company’s top pay-per-view draw, had minor surgery after defeating Frank Mir in July, creating uncertainty as to when he would be available to fight again.
His quick recovery allowed the promotion to bring him back in November, but with all of the top heavyweights already scheduled to fight, it was necessary to break up one of those bouts.
Carwin became a buzzworthy suitor for the champion following swift first-round technical knockouts over Neil Wain at UFC 89 and Gabriel Gonzaga at UFC 96. Carwin, a 1999 NCAA Div. II wrestling champion, battled back from an early knockdown from the Brazilian to finish Gonzaga with his heavy hands.
Lesnar, 32, unified the heavyweight title and avenged his only loss with a second-round drubbing of former interim champion Frank Mir at UFC 100 last July. Lesnar, a 2000 NCAA Div. I heavyweight champion, won the title against perennial competitor Randy Couture by second-round TKO at UFC 91 last November. It was the former World Wrestling Entertainment star’s fourth professional bout.
Too early for Carwin imo but meh... guys not getting any younger, unproven or not.
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Still think they should have tested him with Velaquez first. Two guys who people say need a title shot, but are very unexperienced. Would have really shown who the cream of the crop would be.
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Carwin isn't unexperienced, he's 11-0. He's just only been tested once with the Gonzaga fight. I've also heard Cain had an injury so Carwin was named the number one contender, I'll find the source.
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Machida successfully defending the UFC Light Heavyweight Championship with his face.
Lesnar was thrown into the title match with only like 2 MMA fights under his belt....
I don't think we should be talking about someone who has had much more fights than that as 'unexperienced'.
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Lesnar was thrown into the title match with only like 2 MMA fights under his belt....
I don't think we should be talking about someone who has had much more fights than that as 'unexperienced'.
Lesnar is not a good example in any way of how a young MMA fighter should be treated and developed. It has obviously worked, but he was also thrown into the semi main-event of a PPV in his first UFC fight and his 2nd MMA fight. He came to the UFC with recognition and name value that even few established stars enjoy.
I understand completely why the UFC is throwing them together. But I do think it would make for a more sellable fight if Carwin had more than one solid win under his belt. He would have more name value, which makes it easier to present him as a true, legit threat. And it would also mean more for Lesnar if he does beat him. As it stands, if Carwin gets destroyed, a lot of people are going to be able to say that he never should have got this shot anyway.
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Lesnar is not a good example in any way of how a young MMA fighter should be treated and developed. It has obviously worked, but he was also thrown into the semi main-event of a PPV in his first UFC fight and his 2nd MMA fight. He came to the UFC with recognition and name value that even few established stars enjoy.
I understand completely why the UFC is throwing them together. But I do think it would make for a more sellable fight if Carwin had more than one solid win under his belt. He would have more name value, which makes it easier to present him as a true, legit threat. And it would also mean more for Lesnar if he does beat him. As it stands, if Carwin gets destroyed, a lot of people are going to be able to say that he never should have got this shot anyway.
I'm not saying it is a good thing what they did with Lesnar, just saying it is kind of odd that anyone would say a fighter with that many fights under his belt isn't experienced enough to fight Lesnar who only has like 5 MMA fights under his belt.
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I'm not saying it is a good thing what they did with Lesnar, just saying it is kind of odd that anyone would say a fighter with that many fights under his belt isn't experienced enough to fight Lesnar who only has like 5 MMA fights under his belt.
Ah, gotcha.
The funny thing is that I always felt like the UFC was doing things "right" with Carwin and Velasquez and rushing with Lesnar - even though Lesnar worked out so far. Now, they're rushing Carwin again, in my opinion... and it could work for them again.
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