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Honestly, I'm not buying the details of that "offer" until its confirmed by other sources. Giving M-1 a cut of the PPV buys and letting Fedor sport the M-1 is getting close to co-promoting. With that much per fight plus giving up a PPV buy rate cut, it would make it almost impossible for the UFC to make any money on those shows. Seems sketchy to me.
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"The numbers being floated there are a little misleading. The UFC’s offer of $30 million over six fights isn’t a guarantee," Snowden learned from a source. "The number is based on Zuffa’s projections of what Fedor’s take of the PPV money would be, and the numbers they are projecting are based on selling a ton of PPV’s. The actual guarantee for Fedor is much more modest. It’s true that if business stays at record levels Fedor could walk away with $30 million. But that is no guarantee."
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his has a certain ring of truth to it. Fedor's in a position where he doesn't have to sign for terms that hinge on a lot of "IF we do X PPV sales, then you'll get Y dollars." Going for the guaranteed money is just plain smart on his part.
Here's something else to think about. From the moment the deals were being rumored, I believed that Dana White and Zuffa were so confident that Brock Lesnar would beat Fedor in the Russian's first UFC fight that they were willing to offer lots of terms (loosening the champion clause etc) that they would not have offered if Fedor was going to be facing Randy Couture, Cro-Cop and Big Nog in his three UFC fights.
I think Fedor also is concerned that he might lose to Brock Lesnar -- and there's nothing wrong with that, Lesnar is a beast -- and even a 30% chance of Lesnar winning the first fight is a big risk for Fedor. Especially in his first fight in a cage with elbows on the ground. Fedor's history of getting cut in fights makes a cut stoppage from an elbow an exceedingly likely outcome.
In closing, here's the case for Strikeforce:
No elbows on the ground.
Willingness to co-promote. Remember, Fedor isn't just a client of M-1, he's supposedly a 20% owner -- that's twice the share Dana White has in the UFC. There's also a strong element of Russian nationalism. Fedor's never been seen on national television in Russia. Affliction had just scored a deal to do that. Also, don't forget how "business" is done in Russia. I don't want to speculate, but if I was Fedor, I'd be very hesitant to dump my Russian partners.
Strikeforce's roster of Brett Rogers, Fabricio Werdum and Alistair Overeem is a very credible roster of foes for Fedor -- they are ranked #8, 10 and 14, respectively, on this month's USAT/SBN MMA rankings. And I'm sure each would enjoy the "Josh Barnett effect" of rising several notches upon the announcement of a signed fight with Fedor.
Non-exclusivity. With Strikeforce, Fedor could quite possibly continue to fight in Japan on the odd New Year's Eve for DREAM, maybe even against Josh Barnett in a fight many still want to see.
Fedor has an enormous amount to lose if he makes the wrong step. Clearly his refusal to sign with the UFC and their aggressive PR will cost him the hearts of many MMA fans. At the same time, most of those fans will tune in to watch his next fight, regardless of opponent, especially if it's on CBS. If Strikeforce manages to book him against legitimate top 10 competition, he will only grow his appeal and be able to demand even more from the UFC if there is a next time.
Fedor has firmly established himself as the greatest heavyweight in MMA history thus far. He could decide to retire today and his legacy is secure. He really has nothing to prove. Sure he could potentially build an even bigger legacy in the sport by fighting in the UFC, but he could also damage his status as the (virtually) undefeated king of MMA.
Sure he'll take a hit with MMA fans in the U.S. But honestly, how much does Fedor care about that? He lives in Stary Oskul, Russia. How often do you think he logs onto Sherdog or BE to read the comments? The man has a financial future to think about and he's the one who steps in the ring/cage. He can do whatever he wants and the fans can either watch this supremely talented fighter and continue to wonder about might have beens or try to plug their ears and close their eyes. God willing, Fedor has many more fun fights in his future. Me, I'll be watching whatever he does.
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Even if that's true.. it's still an insane offer and it's equally insane for them to turn it down. We see now that Fedor doesn't care about competition or even the most money. All he cares about is his team that will do nothing for him in the end.
Even if that's true.. it's still an insane offer and it's equally insane for them to turn it down. We see now that Fedor doesn't care about competition or even the most money. All he cares about is his team that will do nothing for him in the end.
So if Fedor made a decision made on making the most money (potentially), wouldn't that make him the kind of shallow money-grubbing athlete we normally criticize?
If part of his motivation - as it seems - is to help bring MMA to Russia, how is that really wrong? Sure, every casual American MMA may not know and love him if he never fights in the UFC, but do you really think that the man's primary concern? He seems extremelly patriotic regarding his homeland. I think doing something big for the sport in Russia means more than becoming a bigger star in the US, all things considered.
If there were no decent heavyweights outside of the UFC for him to fight, then you could say he doesn't care at all about the competition. But there are.
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So if Fedor made a decision made on making the most money (potentially), wouldn't that make him the kind of shallow money-grubbing athlete we normally criticize?
If part of his motivation - as it seems - is to help bring MMA to Russia, how is that really wrong? Sure, every casual American MMA may not know and love him if he never fights in the UFC, but do you really think that the man's primary concern? He seems extremelly patriotic regarding his homeland. I think doing something big for the sport in Russia means more than becoming a bigger star in the US, all things considered.
If there were no decent heavyweights outside of the UFC for him to fight, then you could say he doesn't care at all about the competition. But there are.
Well, the man obviously did what he felt was best for himself so no criticizing him there but not really for his country seeing as the deal wasn't agreed upon because of M-1 wanting to co-promote with UFC. You can say all the patriotic stuff you want(and yes, he is patriotic) but the deal wasn't finalized not because of his patriotism, it wasn't finalized because of his ties with M-1 and their stubborn refusal to make a deal without co-promoting. That being said, there is SOME competition outside of the UFC but he turned down what was without a doubt the biggest fight and really only challenge out there for him at the moment in Brock Lesnar. I don't see anyone outside of the UFC who wouldn't get dominated by Fedor(aside from a roided up Barnett) but Lesnar has the sheer size, power, and unusual quickness to give Fedor problems and a lot to think about. He WOULD of made the most money in UFC than anywhere else, maybe not 5 mill a fight but still more than anywhere else.
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Machida successfully defending the UFC Light Heavyweight Championship with his face.
Let's be honest, Fedor's going to come to his senses and either say 'fuck you' to M-1, or he's going to get signed regardless. Lesnar is considered primo in UFC and he got $400,000 for his fight against Mir... If Fedor fights 3 times in a year, he makes more than 97% of professional athletes do. Which is fucking nuts.
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Lesnar is considered primo in UFC and he got $400,000 for his fight against Mir... If Fedor fights 3 times in a year, he makes more than 97% of professional athletes do. Which is fucking nuts.
He also got a percentage of the PPV buys. He ended up getting over $2 million for the fight. The UFC has a lot of unpublished 'bonuses' as well.
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Are we taking bets on when Strikeforce is going to fold under Fedor and M1’s collective money grubbing weight?
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