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He could fight: Lesnar, Couture, Mir, ...
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It's absurd to claim that the best competition for Fedor is outside of UFC..
He could fight: Lesnar, Couture, Mir, rematches with Nog/Cro Cop, and a fight with a potential up and comer like Carwin or Velasquez.
Outside of UFC there's what? Barnett is failing steroid tests and being a moron.. there's really only Rogers or maybe Werdum.
I never claimed there was better competition outside the UFC. Just that to me, its about equal. At most, it might be slightly better in the UFC. I just don't see it as being a clear advantage to the UFC and don't see that as being a major arguement as to why Fedor should consider the UFC the better option. Money (potentially), exposure (definitely), and so, yes, but not so much the competition.
Is a Lesnar-Fedor fight interesting? Yes. Obviously.
Fedor-Couture? Maybe, but it depends on Couture winning against Nogueira. And looking good doing so.
Honestly, a Mir fight against Fedor doesn't interest me, despite the win over Nog. I just think Mir is a good heavyweight but not a great one. He has one win in the past 4-5 years where he looked anywhere near elite, and that Nog (where Nog may have a very legit medical excuse that he won't use). I put Mir in with the likes of Gonzaga and Kongo. I have about much disire to see Fedor face one of those as face someone like Werdrum.
Velasquez has a lot to prove, in my opinion, as his fight against Kongo left as many questions as answers. Carwin looks pretty legit thus far to me... But I don't know that he's far and above a better fighter than Rogers. Both are huge guys with big KO power.
Outside the UFC, you have Barnett, who is probably the #2 HW out there, despite the steroid test. You have Overeem, who has looked very good of late. Those are two fights that honestly interest me as much as Lesnar and Couture.
Potential rematches are where the UFC holds a definite edge, but its not like his wins over Big Nog and Crocop were close enough to necessitate rematches.
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Yes, M-1 is uber gay.. someone inform Dak about it.. it's not UFC's fault.
I never said they weren't.
They were both at fault that the first negotiations didn't result in a deal is what I said.
The UFC and M1 were being unreasonable.
I haven't read enough about the current negotiations to comment but from what I have read it seems the blame should be soley placed on M1.
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Well, are you guys sure he would make more money in the UFC. I doubt Dana would pay Fedor what Affliction was paying him.
In Japan, he can still make serious tho. Also, if you were Fedor and had a piece of M-1, what would you do? I think if you had his star power, you'd try and get your promotion some exposure (at least during your fights) as well.
...and we cant blame the UFC for refusing to go along with it, that's something they dont need and shouldn't do.
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By: Carmichael Dave
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So we all know the deal with M-1 and what they are saying about co-promotion. I'm not here to say who's right and wrong in this deal, but I can tell you some of the specifics that were offered to Fedor.....
- The UFC offered Fedor a 6 fight, 30 million dollar contract. That's 5 mil a fight
- The UFC offered Fedor an immediate title shot
- Lesnar/Fedor would be the biggest PPV in MMA history (we assume), and the UFC offered M-1 Global a cut of the PPV on top of Fedor's purse.
- Fedor was free to wear as many M-1 logoed items as he wished.
- The UFC also relented on allowing Fedor to compete in combat sambo.
Apparently, for good or bad, M-1 refuses to sign a deal unless the UFC agrees to co-promote.
I can tell you right now, the boys at ZUFFA will never, EVER agree to that. So if M-1 doesnt relent on that item alone, the Fedor to UFC talks are dead. Look for Team Emelianenko to turn to Strikeforce next. With co-promotions already in the books with Affliction, that shouldnt be a stopping point.
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By: Carmichael Dave
CBS Radio MMA Host
Twitter.com/Carmichaeldave
So we all know the deal with M-1 and what they are saying about co-promotion. I'm not here to say who's right and wrong in this deal, but I can tell you some of the specifics that were offered to Fedor.....
- The UFC offered Fedor a 6 fight, 30 million dollar contract. That's 5 mil a fight
- The UFC offered Fedor an immediate title shot
- Lesnar/Fedor would be the biggest PPV in MMA history (we assume), and the UFC offered M-1 Global a cut of the PPV on top of Fedor's purse.
- Fedor was free to wear as many M-1 logoed items as he wished.
- The UFC also relented on allowing Fedor to compete in combat sambo.
Apparently, for good or bad, M-1 refuses to sign a deal unless the UFC agrees to co-promote.
I can tell you right now, the boys at ZUFFA will never, EVER agree to that. So if M-1 doesnt relent on that item alone, the Fedor to UFC talks are dead. Look for Team Emelianenko to turn to Strikeforce next. With co-promotions already in the books with Affliction, that shouldnt be a stopping point.
I will have more comprehensive coverage on my show tonight at 9pm PST. You can stream live at Northern California's Sports Station KHTK - Homepage and call toll free at 1-800-920-1140. Twitter updates to the minute at twitter.com/carmichaeldave
So yeah, WAY more money, WAY more exposure, and yes... better competition... he only has about 3 potentially good fights outside UFC and Fedor-Lesnar would be a gigantic match up. Zuffa will not co-promote and I'm actually surprised they offered him a contract that good and it was turned down.
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But I cant believe cheap Dana is willing to offer Fedor that much first of all...and second of all I cant believe Fedor would refuse that, unless he makes that every time he fights.
Anyway, I do think he's worth it.
If what I just read is true, nobody can blame the UFC for not trying.
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But I cant believe cheap Dana is willing to offer Fedor that much first of all...and second of all I cant believe Fedor would refuse that, unless he makes that every time he fights.
Anyway, I do think he's worth it.
If what I just read is true, nobody can blame the UFC for not trying.
Well they basically broke their backs trying to sign Fedor and offered him probably by far the most expensive contract in MMA history and he refused so lawl good luck with M-1 and leeching on to other organizations because it won't be the UFC.
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“If we had such an offer two years ago which we got yesterday, maybe we would be (interested), but not in today’s situation — we cannot accept that offer,” - courtesy of WKR
What the F has M1 done in two years?!? … oh, that right; they bankrupted Affliction.
I’m beginning to really have to question what Fedor sees in this guys to keep him employed. Turing down the $30 million dollar deal is insane!!
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I hope he signs with Strikeforce and Seth Petruzelli isn’t busy…
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