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Joe Rogan said it best..."We should stop catering to idiots, we should educate them instead" or something like that.
UFC has taught their fans that the ground game and guys like Machida or Clay Guida, are boring. Also refs are told to stand up guys right away and that's what bothers me the most (The Bruno-Rees fight is the perfect example).
Last night I only ended up catching the main event and anyone whose read my posts before, know I hate stand up fights and this one was just that. I still dont understand why Rampage didn't take Jardine down and ground & pounded his ass. Back in the days that was what he was known for. I think American fans are destroying this game as they all just want to see people knock each other out, thats why fighters whose should be taking fights to the gorund aren't doing that anymore.
Look at Josh Koscheck for example, the guy is an mazing wrestlers, yet he just wants to stand there with his opponent and throw punches.
WHY? Ill tell you, it's because that's what American UFC fans wanna see. Its wrong. If a stand up fight is what you want, then go watch boxing.
Whatever, I'll take one Aoki fight over 20 Marcus Davis fights, anytime.
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Rampage did take Jardine down...twice he couldn't hold Jardine down, Rashad even said during his commentary that Jardine is probably the hardest guy to keep down.
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Rampage did take Jardine down...twice he couldn't hold Jardine down, Rashad even said during his commentary that Jardine is probably the hardest guy to keep down.
I thought he just tried once...I must have missed the other attempt while I was yawning lol.
Whatever, it doesnt matter what he says, he only went for the take downs after he started getting tired. Taking Jardine down was never the game plan.
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You obviously didn't hear his corner going into round 3, they said look for your shot and when it's open take him down. And he did Jardine scrambled hard and got back up.
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WHY? Ill tell you, it's because that's what American UFC fans wanna see. Its wrong. If a stand up fight is what you want, then go watch boxing.
Yes, american fans are the only ones that like to see a good knock out. I don't know what UFC you have been watching but I see guys going to the ground alot and they are not always standing them up imediatley, but rather they stand them up when the people in control are not being productive. Granted sometimes they get stood up to early but that is the refs fault, not us "stupid" american ufc fans. I love the ground game when its active but when two guys are on the ground going no where, laying there like two tired out dry-humpers, that is the most boring shit and anybody who says different is doing it just to argue. Same thing with Tim Sylvia and just leaning against people up against the cage while standing. Be productive or break it up.
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Yes, american fans are the only ones that like to see a good knock out. I don't know what UFC you have been watching but I see guys going to the ground alot and they are not always standing them up imediatley, but rather they stand them up when the people in control are not being productive. Granted sometimes they get stood up to early but that is the refs fault, not us "stupid" american ufc fans. I love the ground game when its active but when two guys are on the ground going no where, laying there like two tired out dry-humpers, that is the most boring shit and anybody who says different is doing it just to argue. Same thing with Tim Sylvia and just leaning against people up against the cage while standing. Be productive or break it up.
Bro, you cant honestly tell me that you believe what you have just said.
The UFC fans think the ground game is boring and thats a fact. Everytime 2 fighters clinch up, people boo. UFC fans love slobber knockers (sorry JR).
Watch a Japanese show and you will see the difference in how fans respond to the ground game.
It gets so frustrating at times when people boo, that even Joe Rogan steps in to defend the fighters. In the Bruno/Rees fight, Rogan wanted to kill the ref when he was constantly telling the 2 fighters to work.
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I think the "stupid fan" syndrome is something that happpens in every sports. It just becomes more obvious in sports that grow quickly, as the numbers of those fans grow quickly. Just like there are baseball fans who find pitching and defense boring, or football fans who can't stand a great defensive battle - there are always going to be fans who can't truly appreciate everything a given sport offers.
Boxing fans are an interesting comparison to MMA fans. Because while there are certainly "narrow-minded" boxing fans who are only looking for the big knockout, there are many boxer affinicados who are very educated. Who understand that stategy behind the violence. Are those fans the majority? Probably not. Same with MMA.
Comparing American fans to Japanese fans is outrightly difficult. Because its two very different cultures, in every way. The UFC has created a fan culture where winning is the only thing that truly matters. In Japan, fighting hard and with honor are what matter most, regardless of the outcome. A fighter can lose fight after fight and the fans will still love him for going out there and giving everything they have to make an exciting fight. It doesn't work that way in North America, and I really don't think it can.
Now, one way in which the UFC has a serious advantage over boxing is the clear hierarchy of challengers within one organization. Interesting point made by this article:
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Ya, but you guys dont get my point. The fans are influencing the fighters to fight a certain way. You hear it all the times in the post fight interviews, when the fighters apologize for not being exciting (...and by being exciting I mean not standing up and throwing punches).
Why should a wrestler stand up with his opponent, when taking him down with his wrestling skill is more effective?
Marcus Davis faced Chris Lytle and before the fight they both said they were gonna have the greatest fight ever. They both said that they were not going to take the fight to the ground and just throw punches. WTF????? This is what Im talking about, UFC fans are teaching the fighters that standing up is what excites them...to those fans I say, go watch boxing.
This is MMA, Mixed Martial Arts and boxing is the last thing a guy should be doing inside that octagon.
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