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i liked Sanchez vs Stevenson fight , But i felt Stevenson played save a little...just what i thought...id say it was an ok card i suppose, nothing special.
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i liked Sanchez vs Stevenson fight , But i felt Stevenson played save a little...just what i thought...id say it was an ok card i suppose, nothing special.
How can you honestly say that it was "nothing special", this was a great great great night of fights.
For one we got to see every fight.
There were some sick subs, the heel hook by those two heavyweights ( I didn't know either), Maia's sick triangle.
Some great KO's, Kos getting knocked out, Nate's nice KO, Hardy's KO, Etim's KO.
Then there was an amazing fight between Daddy and Nightmare, sure Joe didn't do anything besides box but it was one of those perfect fights. There was a little bit of everything, Diego was throwing kicks, knees and his hands when the fight did hit the ground we saw some great rolling and sweeps and they were right back up keeping that same crazy pace.
You could not have been watching UFC 95 because this card was amazing.
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Awesome card, one of the best I've seen. I still can't believe they showed all those fights.
Like Suffy said, we had everything from great subs to awesome knock outs. The Main Event did not disappoint either.
I was impressed with Paul Kelly, the guy in his last fight did not look that good, but last night his boxing was amazing. I still dont understand why Troy decided to stand with him, he would have won if he had taken the fight to the ground. Everytime he went for a takedown, he was successful. I knew Paul Kelly had a great chin, but I was surprised by Tory's. He took some nasty shot and made to the end. Joe Rogan mentioned that Paul Kelly might move down to 155 and at that weight class, I think he would be dangerous. The guy would be the strongest lightweight in the division.
Josh Koscheck getting knocked out was a pure fluke. Josh was too confident and took this fight too lightly in my opinion. I think he was still gloating over his last victory where he KO'd Yoshida. Josh was swinging wildly and I think he enjoyed his last knock out so much, that he just wanted to knock Thiago out as well. If he would have covered better and maybe take this fight to the ground, he would have won this fight. Paulo Thiago wasn't looking good at all, but he is still a MMA fighter and anyone can knock anyone out. Thats what happens when you underestimate your opponent.
I remember Damian Maia's first match and thinking to myself how good this guy was...I was completely right. That submission last night, was off the hook, by far one of the best triangle chokes I've ever seen. Everytime he fights he wins "Sub of the Night"...I think a Title shot is in his future here.
I loved the fight between Nate and Gouveia. They both fought hard, and at the end I think Gouveia's last of endurance cost him in this fight. He looked completely gassed, while Nate was still very fresh. He looked good last night, his kicks were good and his boxing was clean, but I still dont think he would last a round with Anderson Silva.
The best fight of the night was the main event. They fought for three rounds and the fight was high paced all the way through. I still dont understand why Stevenson didnt take this fight to the ground. We all knew Diego's standing was better than his and yet he never once decided to go for a takedown. Diego didnt impress me much, and after the fight he said he had broken his hand, so that could have been a big reason why. Moving down to 155, did not effect his speed (he might be the fastest puncher in MMA today), but it seems Diego has lost alot of his power. Joe Stevenson took alot of shots and yet he never seemed to be in real danger (He only seemed hurt twice, but recovered very fast). In a fight against Kenny Florian or BJ Penn, the Diego Sanchez of last night would get murdered. But this was his first fight, and I'm pretty sure he will improve.
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Kos is suffering from the Gonzaga complex, you get one awesome KO (it started during the Hazlett fight), and you go away from your bread and butter and become a kickboxer.
Like Rogan can talk about how much Kos' boxing has improved but it still is pretty average, his bread and butter is his great wrestling and he should stick to that and not act like he's a kickboxer.
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Kos is suffering from the Gonzaga complex, you get one awesome KO (it started during the Hazlett fight), and you go away from your bread and butter and become a kickboxer.
Like Rogan can talk about how much Kos' boxing has improved but it still is pretty average, his bread and butter is his great wrestling and he should stick to that and not act like he's a kickboxer.
I completely agree with you. It happens way too many times that a fighter whose good on the ground decides to box instead. It happened 3 times last night. Kos, Troy and Stevenson all decided to stand with their opponent instead of taking it to the ground.
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Well I disagree with Stevenson mainly because even if he got it to the ground it wouldn't have mattered, Diego has great jitz and wasn't about to get subbed by Stevenson.
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Kos is suffering from the Gonzaga complex, you get one awesome KO (it started during the Hazlett fight), and you go away from your bread and butter and become a kickboxer.
Like Rogan can talk about how much Kos' boxing has improved but it still is pretty average, his bread and butter is his great wrestling and he should stick to that and not act like he's a kickboxer.
See, that's one thing I believe separates a good fighter like Koschack from a great one like St. Pierre - game-planning. Talent as well, obvoiusly, but the ability of a fighter (and his camp) to game-plan to his strengths and the strengths of his opponent, then to stick to that game-plan and adapt it if necessary. Even against a seemingly mediocre fighter like Thiago, you have to question the logic of going against what is your established strength. Sometimes it works, but its dangerous.
As for Stevenson, I would agree for the most part that his best chance was standing. But by the third round, he had to know that he was down to rounds. But he kept striking, I guess hoping for the big KO. Which is odd because its not like he has a ton of KO wins. A bit of more of an effort to go to ground in the third round would have made sense to me.
See, that's one thing I believe separates a good fighter like Koschack from a great one like St. Pierre - game-planning. Talent as well, obvoiusly, but the ability of a fighter (and his camp) to game-plan to his strengths and the strengths of his opponent, then to stick to that game-plan and adapt it if necessary. Even against a seemingly mediocre fighter like Thiago, you have to question the logic of going against what is your established strength. Sometimes it works, but its dangerous.
As for Stevenson, I would agree for the most part that his best chance was standing. But by the third round, he had to know that he was down to rounds. But he kept striking, I guess hoping for the big KO. Which is odd because its not like he has a ton of KO wins. A bit of more of an effort to go to ground in the third round would have made sense to me.
I agree with you when you talk about the game planning, half of the fighters out there today seem to have none, but I dont understand how you can say Stevenson's best chance was on the stand up. Sanchez is better than him on the stand up, but it's ok because Joe's strenght is not his boxing, but his BJJ, therefore his game plan should've been to take the fight to the ground. I dont know for sure if Joe is better than Sanchez on the ground, but he is definitely not better than him standing up.
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Well there is almost no way for Joe to wrestle Sanchez to the ground, Sanchez is a great wrestler in his own right, that's how he made his living winning TUF in the first place. And Sanchez has sick jitz as well there's no way Daddy would get on top of him and I doubt that he could sub him from the bottom.
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