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Old 02-02-2009, 11:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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NSAC Comments on Vaseline Controversy

Monday, February 02, 2009
by Brian Knapp (sherdog.com)


The sweat had not yet dried when accusations began to fly against welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre after his lopsided victory against B.J. Penn in the UFC 94 main event on Saturday at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas.

Not long after his win, St. Pierre and his corner, including trainer Greg Jackson, came under fire for allegedly using a “greasing” agent between rounds. Nevada State Athletic Commission Executive Director Keith Kizer on Monday confirmed improprieties had occurred in the champion’s corner after the first and second rounds.

“After the first round, one of my inspectors came to me and told me he thought he saw one of the cornermen -- I believe it was Phil Nurse … after putting Vaseline on [St. Pierre’s] face, he saw him rub his shoulders, and it appeared as though he might not have wiped off his hands,” Kizer said. “After the second round, we observed Mr. Jackson putting Vaseline on Mr. St. Pierre’s face and then putting his hand on his back.”

At that point, Kizer attempted to get Jackson’s attention from outside the cage.

“I don’t think he heard me because of all the noise in the arena, so I immediately walked into the Octagon myself -- I’ve probably done that two other times in my career -- and told him to take his hand off Mr. St. Pierre’s back,” he said. “We took a towel and wiped off his back. After the third round, we went in again and made sure his back and shoulders were wiped off to ensure a level playing field.”

Kizer informed Penn’s camp of the situation after the bout ended. Penn’s manager and brother, J.D., told Sherdog.com on Sunday that the Hawaiian’s camp planned to file a complaint with the NSAC, but, as of Monday afternoon, Kizer had not heard from Penn’s representatives. Penn has 10 days to file.

Nevertheless, Kizer admonished Jackson and Nurse after the match.

“I told them I was disappointed and that they may have tainted Mr. St. Pierre’s victory,” he said. “I told them if it happens again, it will probably be the last time they work a corner in Nevada. Basically, they said, ‘Look, we’re sorry. We’re not trying to do anything. It was an accident.’ Whether it was intentional or not, I don’t know. It was improper.”

According to St. Pierre’s trainer, Greg Jackson, the controversy surrounding the bout has been blown out of proportion. Jackson addressed the accusations on the Monday edition of the Savage Dog Show on the Sherdog Radio Network.

“The controversy came because people didn’t know what they were looking at,” he said. “Steve Friend, ‘The Witch Doctor,’ he works with a ton of these guys, and he has this energy stuff [he does]. In between rounds, Phil [Nurse] put Vaseline on Georges’ head; then he’s supposed to reach around and rub something or tap something … I don’t know how it exactly works. On the outside, it looks like, ‘Why is he rubbing his back?’ And you don’t know why. ‘Oh, he’s putting Vaseline on. That’s got to be it.’”

St. Pierre punished Penn for four rounds, as he took him down numerous times and passed his guard with unthinkable ease. By the end of the fourth -- after Penn had absorbed a lethal dose of ground-and-pound -- the Hawaiian’s corner motioned to the cage-side doctor to stop the fight.

“On B.J.’s side, you just got beat, and you got beat pretty well,” Jackson said. “You gotta have something to hold onto. There’s gotta be a reason I got beat. They have to hold onto something, and I think they’re holding onto this.”

Jackson -- who also trains UFC light heavyweight champion Rashad Evans -- vehemently denies any intentional wrongdoing took place in the corner in between rounds.

“We certainly don’t need to cheat to win,” he said. “If we were going to put Vaseline on his back, it wouldn’t be like a tapping little thing. We’d take some Vaseline and make it count, you know what I mean? We don’t do that. We don’t cheat.

“It’s really a non-issue to me because there are cameras everywhere; there are inspectors everywhere,” he continued. “I’m not the smartest guy, but I’m not a moron. I wouldn’t grease someone between rounds.”

One of the sport’s most visible and respected trainers, Jackson thinks St. Pierre’s performance may have worked against him in terms of giving the controversy legs. No one had ever defeated Penn so soundly before.

“When you’ve got a guy as good as Georges and people are looking, like, ‘How can this guy be so good?’ People are going to find controversy somewhere at some point,” Jackson said. “Georges was, like, ‘What are you talking about? That’s ridiculous. I worked really hard.’ It’s nice for us because we know we didn’t cheat. We know what happened that night. To me, it’s not really a big deal when you have the truth on your side.”

Not surprisingly, the Jackson’s Submission Fighting founder indicated the otherworldly St. Pierre would invite a third fight with Penn if there was doubt about the legitimacy of his victory.

“I’m sure he wouldn’t mind fighting B.J. a third time if they’re that concerned about it,” Jackson said. “I’m sure everybody would make a lot of money, and we’d certainly welcome that fight again.”

Jackson expects the furor surrounding their rematch to die down soon.

“There’s not a lot of validity to it,” Jackson said. “It wasn’t a close fight where people were like, ‘Oh, if it wasn’t for all the cheating they did …’ I think it will just blow over once people realize what the truth was.”

Kizer was uncertain as to whether or not the incidents impacted the match. The first time St. Pierre and Penn met, the outcome was far less one-sided, as the French Canadian took a split decision at UFC 58 in 2006.

“It’s hard to tell,” he said. “I don’t think it takes away the victory, but I think it takes away from the victory. You’ve got to be better than that.”
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Old 02-02-2009, 11:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: NSAC Comments on Vaseline Controversy

Vaseline or not, Penn got beat. I know it's highly illegal and all, but I don't think it really came into affect. Penn had a tough time pulling the rubber guard, so that could have been because of the vaseline. I believe there was no intention if it did happen.
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Re: NSAC Comments on Vaseline Controversy

I'm not that convinced about it all. Obviously something was applied, but whether it was done intentionally, and how much of an effect it had. There are some gifs out there of Penn trying to pull high guard and being unable to. Was it grease on GSP's shoulders and back... or a combination of sweat and GSP posturing forward at the right time (which he did continually)?

The statement from the NSAC doesn't seem like they were massively concerned... Threatening that the cornerman might not get to work in Nevada anymore if he did it again is hardly a threat to overturn the result of the fight.

The interesting thing is that this has resulted in some allegations towards Greg Jackson fighters in general, over greasing in fights. Guys like Rashad Evans and Diego Sanchez have been accused, apparently...?
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Re: NSAC Comments on Vaseline Controversy

It would be interesting to hear Hughes take on it, since he fought GSP thrice.
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Re: NSAC Comments on Vaseline Controversy

I don't think it affected the fight but what I question is, after vassing his face how could you forget you had it on your hands? That is just unbelievable.
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Re: NSAC Comments on Vaseline Controversy

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I don't think it affected the fight but what I question is, after vassing his face how could you forget you had it on your hands? That is just unbelievable.
My guess - and its a guess - is that it wasn't so much forgetting as not thinking there would be anything left by that point. I mean, he had about 3-5 wipes on the face, then a bit on the chest, then he touched the back. Unless he had massive gobs of Vaseline at first - and he didn't - then its only going go so far.
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Re: NSAC Comments on Vaseline Controversy

Well I wasn't noticing during the fight so I wouldn't know.
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Re: NSAC Comments on Vaseline Controversy

Well Hughes has decided to open his mouth, he said George felt greasy in their last two fights.


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Re: NSAC Comments on Vaseline Controversy

lmao it was only a matter of time wasn't it, Deuce called it man.
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Re: NSAC Comments on Vaseline Controversy

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Well Hughes has decided to open his mouth, he said George felt greasy in their last two fights.


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I’m not the only one who has said that GSP felt greasy during a fight. I know Matt Serra has mentioned it and, even in their first fight, I think BJ said something. I’m not saying GSP did something wrong and I’m not saying that it would have changed any outcomes of any fights; but what I am saying is, for my last two fights against Georges, he felt greasy.
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