King Steventon

So uh, yeah, neither really appeal to me right now.

ROH is pretty much on it's deathbed right now and it's failing to make me think otherwise. How fucking stupid were they to move to Monday nights and try to compete with RAW?

Downside: Bye bye Bryan and Nigel, out top two stars!
Upside: Um... get back to you later?

I stuck with them last year despite the questionable booking because I felt they were still producing quality matches and decent angles. This year the wrestling has been nothing special at all and the booking stale and boring. I find myself liking usually one, maybe, two matches a show and I havent been blown away by anything this year at all. I also really dislike the majority of the roster:

Austin Aries - Great gimmick, great wrestler. LL is boring and lazy booking, give him a real fued. The antics are amusing but stop wasting half a match on them; this isn't PWG, bitch.

Brent Albright - One of the most boring dudes out there...

Chris Hero - Great wrestler, have him face some good opposition at opposed to having to carry over-the-hill never-weres. Feels like he is being wasted.

Claudio - No qualms here though I'd rather see him in a real angle or fued, but I guess Nigel leaving screwed that up for the meantime.

Embassy vs Colt & Co. - Boring undercard faction warfare #23

Davey Richards - Yes he has improved and is no an acceptable wrestler, but God the universal overating and over-pushing is almost unbearable. If the KENTA match was his best effort then fuck that. He is still a Dyno-impersonating generic indy guy who makes bonehead amatuer mistakes, only he now kinda knows how to put a match together. Kinda. The idea of him being Danielson's sucessor is just laughable.

Steenerico - Still like them, but how injury prone can you be? It's sad to say I can't see Steen's legs lasting much longer if he keeps getting injured.

King/Titus - King is charismatic but honestly bores me in the ring. Titus is fun-as-heck comedy wrestler, but the idea of him getting used as a main event talent is not good.

Kenny Omega - I was backing him for a while as a great mid-card because of his oddball charisma, but I HIGHLY doubt he is up to the task of being a main event face. He does anime moves in his matches for christ's sake >_>

The Young Bucks - Like Davey, the universal overating and overpushing is almost unbearable. Atleast Davey is entertaining and not some bland flippy-floppy spot machine dancer. I wonder how long it is until the rose-tinted glassed wear off and people realise they are just marking out for the same sequences and spots every match.

Petey Williams - Why the fuck is he getting a main event push? Even TNA weren't that stupid.

Sonjay Dutt - GTFO

Tyler Black - The rose-tinted glassed of last year's carries from Danielson and Nigel have long worn off and without them he has been revealed for the trite he really is. I honestly can not think of one redeeming feature about him as a wrestler, and he is STILL being pushed as the top face despite that ship sailing many months back and 90% of fans turning on him!


As for Chikara, they just aren't my type of promotion. I think I said it to Mark in the shoutbox the other day that they are a hell of a lot less frustrating to follow than ROH and their booking doesn't make you want to bang your head against the wall, but the actual wrestling is mostly sub-par. I will say that I liked the Olsen/Gerrard ladder match more than anything I've seen from ROH this year, but on the whole their wrestling is poor and laughably overated. Both the Colony/Portal and FIST/Colony match stunk in my opinion. Their angles are cool but you have to really be into them on almost a comic-book-geek level to follow them completely. I should probably say right now that whilest their booking is usually good (I loved the booking of the Gerrard/Olsen fued and Jigsaw return), currently its very boring and uninspiring.

Most of the students are really sub-par wrestlers and their big matches often feel like amatuer hour.

The Ants - would make a decent undercard team to get a crowd into a show but them as main eventers just shows Chikara aren't a serious wrestling company. And some people like that, which is fine, I often enjoy the comedy and non-seriousness of some stuff but when it comes to delivering big matches and MOTYCs, they fail hard. Skinny masked greenhorns doing cool Japanese moves they've seen on youtube do not produce good matches.

Hallowickid - painfully average

Quack - Tremendous wrestler, wish he would wrestle more talent his level as opposed to green students

Player Uno & Dos - One is a fun spot machine, the other is a fat useless sack of crap >_>

Brodie Lee - painfully average

FIST - not gonna rant...

So yeah, I'm interested whenever they bring in outsiders for Quack (and Jigsaw in tags) to wrestle but most of their big matches between students are closer to living room playfights than a professional wrestling match.


In conclusion: We need a new top indy company. And no, don't say PWG.

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Marketh.

Not gonna argue with everything above, but I'm not gonna no-sell such a big post:

It did backfire on them, but I don't think they were even trying to compete. The show comes on before and replays after RAW so there's no reason at all why WWE should've taken it as some form of competition from an indy with a small TV deal.

I fail to see what antics you're talking about and why they take up half a match.

Titus? Main event? Maybe in tag matches on HDNet, but other than that, I don't see it happening at all.

I'm hoping people realise this before they have another "MOTYC".

I don't think he's gonna be around for much longer. I think they just thought him and Aries would be a good combo.

Just some points I felt needed to be addressed.

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King Steventon

Well what other possible reason was there behind the move? Even if it wasn't direct competition, it was still another wrestling show on the same night as RAW, and they knew what they were doing. And it bit them in the ass.

I probably havent seen as much as you, but the PWG Hero match was about 15 minutes of screwing around with comedy and stooging before 10 minutes of after wrestling. The Nigel match wasn't as bad but it still felt like there was too. There was also the 6-man against Steen/Dos/Omega where Aries was doing more comedy than anything. Don't get me wrong, it's damn funny, but I sort of want more from the top heel. I feel like there are more examples that I am forgetting but maybe I am over-reacting to it. I still think he is a great wrestler, it was just a minor complaint that bugged me about a few matches that otherwise could have been great.

Well, not as a singles wrestler, but he is in the top faction in the company and him and King are getting big wins and will soon be one of the top teams there. Atleast thats what I get from the results.

Maybe so, but even then it was a poor choice. I don't think even the diehards on the ROH board cared about Petey's push.

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horrorfan_1986

I would never claim I'm expert on CHIKARA, but I would say I've seen a lot from this year and have a good grasp on what it has been like. Meanwhile, I've seen ROH throughout the years so I'm more knowledgeable on that.

I really don't think I can say I prefer one over the other. ROH has been a company I go to for quality wrestling. Despite not having the great feel it did in past years, I can still go to ROH for quality. Davey Richards vs KENTA is still my favorite match of the year. Truthfully, the average ROH show will have better wrestling than a CHIKARA show. However, the main thing I enjoy about CHIKARA isn't the star rated matches, but rather the feel it gives me. When I first started watching CHIKARA last November, it felt fun to me. It's very easy to feel burned out by serious promotions when you've been watching for a long time. CHIKARA didn't seem as if they took themselves very serious. Instead of aiming to achieve those 4+ star rated matches, they were just trying to entertain the fans. The main reason why I feel I like that is because it reminds me of what wrestling was like when I first started watching. When I first watched wrestling, nearly everyone had some gimmick. A lot of the wrestlers had extremely corny ones. I suppose I have a soft spot in my heart for that.

I'm probably taking the cheap way out, but ROH is my source for solid mat wrestling, while CHIKARA is where I go to escape the boredom of serious promotions.

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Tooey

My leaf is definitely turning over to Chikara. Everything I've seen from them has been fun and extraordinary. Sure the matches aren't meant to be 4 star matches and more fun like Jim said, but it's a company that keeps you hooked. This is one thing I feel that that Ring of Honor lacks and needs. I'll admit, I've been loving Hero and Richards work from this year but that's the only main thing. Also in my mind, they lack storyline wise anything innovative. The stuff Chikara has going right now blows the newly developed Erik Stevens and Pick 6 stuff out of the water.

Also, the crowd difference is just so much better. I can watch a Chikara match in peace knowing we won't get a good handful of obnoxious cunts in the crowd.

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Raoul The Duke

Ring of Honor. I prefer my wrestling to be... wrestling. Although I do love CHIKARA for what it is, very entertaining to watch when you're baked.

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BDK

How in the hell is Chikara not wrestling?

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horrorfan_1986

In two of the past three shows (Not counting Cibernetico Increible since I haven't seen all of it), CHIKARA has put on a match per card that could not only be impressive in ROH, but even MOTN. Claudio vs Hallowicked and Team Uppercut vs Quacksaw were incredible wrestling matches.

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King Steventon

To be fair I thought Claudio/Hallo was only "solid" and the QuackSaw/Uppercut tag was hardly a standard affair.

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Capone

I personally choice ROH because Chikara just doesn't do it for me. I always am entertained while watching it but none of it sticks me like ROH. That being said, ROH has been shanked a couple times this year but it still maintains itself as one of the top indies in America right now. They HAVE the fucking ball with Davey Richards right now who has been Mr. Outstanding this year and he making so much noise everywhere that if the company finally put him as the top guy, he would end up taking the Danielson route and making his self WELL fucking known. Chikara never has had anything that has set the world on fire in my view nor has it really come close. Chikara will always be fun but I think that is about it if you ask me. Chikara wil always be the indy and nothing else.


PWG, on the other hand, butt fucks the two of them like Khali in jail. I have never enjoyed a company this much and loved their wrestling quality more than PWG this year. Everything they have done has rang and I can say most of their shows just flow well as well have kept it more then steady on the quality department. I disagree hugely on the Young Bucks now with Steve and that is something I would have never of said two or one year back. Like the Wolves in ROH, the Bucks have been spectacular in PWG. They use to be just horrible spot monkeys(Doing moves for the sake of fucking doing moves) but now they have grown far from that and I'm glad to see it. If you want my opinion, check out PWG this year as it is doing far superior than Chikara and has passed ROH this year. At least imo

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