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Often I find myself watching matches because people have pimped them as being especially good or because they have a certain reputation about them, and often I find myself thinking if I've seen the same match as them, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who has felt this. This isn't so much a chance to cry about why a match is overated or whatever, but to be filled in on what is meant to be so good about them. So, chip in with matches you don't understand the hype for, these matches are the ones that puzzle me the most:
Tiger Mask vs Dynamite Kid - 21/4/83 (Their final match)
Sting/Luger vs Anderson/Blanchard - Crockett Cup '88
Tiger Mask II vs Kuniaki Kobayashi - 3/9/85
Wargames - WrestleWar '91
Misawa/Akiyama vs Williams/Ace - 5/7/96
Razor Ramon vs Shawn Michaels - Wrestlemania X (ladder match)
The Hart Brother vs The Steiner Brothers - Wrestlefest '94
Chris Benoit vs Kurt Angle - RAW 2001 (Steel cage match)
HHH vs Jeff Hardy - No Mercy '08
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The Wrestlemania X Ladder match is probably the perfect example of this for me personally, and I see you too don't really understand it. Just a basic match with basic spots and nothing special. Sure, it was the first famous ladder match, but that doesn't mean it is automatically great.
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Ricky Steamboat vs Randy Savage - Wrestlemania III
Watched this for the first time a few months back. Just seemed like a standard match to me. No idea why people claim it is the greatest Wrestlemania match ever.
Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat
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There are definitely others, I just need to have a think.
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Ricky Steamboat vs Randy Savage - Wrestlemania III
Watched this for the first time a few months back. Just seemed like a standard match to me. No idea why people claim it is the greatest Wrestlemania match ever.
Great crowd heat, great backstory that comes into play in the match, really well done underdog comeback and technically very sound. Consider what most wwe matches were like at the time and you will see why it gets talked up. Definately not best WM match ever but one that I think deserves praise.
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What ones?
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Foley vs. Taker - HIAC at KOTR
All I remember are 3 spots, Foley being thrown from the top of the cell (which really defeats the purpose of the cell in the first place), through the cell, and onto a load of thumbtacks. I think the only reason the match is praised is becuase of the spots because it had very little wrestling. There's been other matches that have had bigger and better spots and they aren't even considered good matches, so could someone explain why this is anywhere near 5 stars (as many people claim it to be)?
Ricky Steamboat vs Randy Savage - Wrestlemania III
Watched this for the first time a few months back. Just seemed like a standard match to me. No idea why people claim it is the greatest Wrestlemania match ever.
The match was a shock to fans in 1987. The match was literally sometime totally new for WWE audiences. It was fast paced, tons of near falls and had a believable backstory that sucked the fans into the match. That match was the example of the new style that the WWE was showcasing around those days. No longer were matches slow paced and very old school, it was instead literally non-stop action.
Matches like Steamboat/Savage needs to be appreciated for it's impact and how groundbreaking it is.
It's like judging an early cage match against modern ones or the spotty HIAC matches.
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Unfortunately I don't know, so I guess we can't really discuss it. I mentioned in another thread that there are not many pre-attitude era matches I can actually throroughly enjoy.
The match was a shock to fans in 1987. The match was literally sometime totally new for WWE audiences. It was fast paced, tons of near falls and had a believable backstory that sucked the fans into the match. That match was the example of the new style that the WWE was showcasing around those days. No longer were matches slow paced and very old school, it was instead literally non-stop action.
Matches like Steamboat/Savage needs to be appreciated for it's impact and how groundbreaking it is.
It's like judging an early cage match against modern ones or the spotty HIAC matches.
But surely a great match is a great match forever. You judge every match on the same set of criteria. An influential or groundbreaking match and a great match are two very different things.
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Unfortunately I don't know, so I guess we can't really discuss it. I mentioned in another thread that there are not many pre-attitude era matches I can actually throroughly enjoy.
It's easy to figure out what match you saw.
If Steamboat won the belt - Chi-Town Rumble
If Steamboat was the champion - Clash of the champions
If Flair won the belt - Wrestle War
Now, that's assuming it's one of the '89 series and not the '94 one.
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But surely a great match is a great match forever. You judge every match on the same set of criteria. An influential or groundbreaking match and a great match are two very different things.
But that's the thing, you can still find a lot of people citing how incredible the match is. After 24 WM's, I still feel that it's the best match ever at the event and it's a match that I could watch over and over and not be sick of it.
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If Steamboat won the belt - Chi-Town Rumble
If Steamboat was the champion - Clash of the champions
If Flair won the belt - Wrestle War
Now, that's assuming it's one of the '89 series and not the '94 one.
Long time ago, but I believe I have seen Chi-Town Rumble and maybe Clash of the Champions too. If you know where to get the matches and can provide me with them, I will happily watch all three and give my renewed opinions.
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But that's the thing, you can still find a lot of people citing how incredible the match is. After 24 WM's, I still feel that it's the best match ever at the event and it's a match that I could watch over and over and not be sick of it.
Then judge the match itself rather than its 'groundbreaking' quality. That argument just makes it seems like it can't live up to the standards of future matches.
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Matches like that are the matches that really deserve to be called "innovative", a word that gets thrown around so much these days whenever a guy manages to add a new spin or flip to a move. Not only was it a great match in it's own right, but it's one that was very important.
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Alright, I just think people focus too often on a match's influence rather than the quality of the match itself, a good example being the ladder match you mentioned at the start of this thread. If it is actually a great match, talk about the match rather than what it influenced imo. Jim didn't seem to be doing that in his defence of it.
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