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Eddie Guerrero vs Rey Mysterio - Smackdown Sept 9th 2005

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Hulk Hogan vs Paul Orndorff - SNME 1987
(Seen on WWE's Bloodbath DVD)

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King Steventon

As much as I loved the Rey/Eddie fued, I can't help but feel as if this shows people were nominating any old shit that sprung to mind. Outside of Eddie's intensity early on and a few nice spots, it's just a bog standard, average cage match. One big gripe I have with the match is that at this point in the fued, Rey had nothing to gain. He had already beaten Eddie countless times and had just come off the victory ending the Dominic angle, so he was kinda just going through the motions whilest Eddie was the only one of the two with any real drive in the match. I did like the finish though, with the way Eddie wanted to get a proper pinfall to put the fued to rest once and for all.

That said, I wasn't sure what to make of Hogan/Ordorff. I may have to look into the backstory of the match later to fully appreciate and understand it, but it started out like the typical cage match that I despise
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Both men instantly trying to escape within the first few minutes when any logic would tell you it won't work, and it's so obvious. Interesting angle halfway through to make it more dramatic, though the match doesn't make a great deal of sense to me. The commentors constantly put over how the match is a "war" and how it's "finally come this" yet both men seem more concerned with getting away from each other then kicking their asses. Maybe it's just my taste. On top of that it's a Hogan match at it's most formulaic (odds stacked against him, gets beat down, over the top comeback, win). For a match on the Bloodbath DVD I didn't see alot of blood either >_>

Neither really deserve to get past the first stage in my opinion, but I guess I'll go with Eddie/Rey simply becuase I liked the finish.

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KenTheKiller

I for one, didn't enjoy Hogan/Ordorff much at all. While Eddie/Rey in the cage is overrated and I think some other of their matches are underrated, it was better than Hogan/Orndorff imo.

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horrorfan_1986

Long story short, after WM 1, Orndorff turned face and began to be BFF with Hulky Hogan. Everything was going great until Orndorff started to feel as if Hogan was always stealing the spotlight. You would think Hogan would figure out it's not jealously, but his own fault seeing how virtually all of his friends left him in a similar manner.
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So finally, after WM 2, Orndorff turned on Hulk Hogan. The two wrestled all over the country including at The Big Event (In many ways, bigger than the other big 86 event, WM 2) with Hogan winning. This was pretty much the end of a one year feud between former friends. IIRC, this was one of the first times when they did the whole "Both feet landed at the same time" that would become such a common storyline in cage/battle royal matches. Pretty much as soon as this feud ended, yet ANOTHER one of Hogan's friends turned on him. That friend turned out to be Andre The Giant and the two went on to headline a little event you probably never heard of.

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horrorfan_1986

I actually enjoyed the Mysterio/Guerrero match. Which is a surprise since I hated all of their major matches in their feud. Some of Eddie's early moves (Especially ramming Mysterio's head into the cage while in the powerbomb position) was nice. My only gripe with the actual match itself was the ending. A top rope frogsplash just didn't feel special enough. All of this bitterness and hatred Eddie felt in 2005 and he just ends it like any other match? A top of the cage frogsplash and finally getting the pinfall on Rey would of been so much more memorable. It seems as if the fans wanted it too once he came back in the ring. With that being said, the booking of this match didn't make this match important at all. Eddie hadn't defeated Rey at all during this feud. Rey even won a huge (yet terrible) ladder match at Summerslam. By all means, the feud was over. Yet they bring it back to have Eddie finally go over? This cage match (With my finish) would of been a great way to end the feud had it been less one sided and if they removed the ladder match from their feud. I would compare this to Shelton/Kofi feud. Shelton finally won a match, but it's like "So what? Kofi beat you all the other times." It just ruins the whole purpose of the match.

For Hogan vs Orndorff, I don't believe they had been in any stipulation matches up until this point. So to finish the feud off with a steel cage match not only helped give a proper ending, but also made the steel cage feel important. It's also one of the first cases where both feet landed at the same time. While it's nothing special these days, back then it was a huge deal. For the first time since winning the title, it looked like someone could actually beat Hogan. So once the match was restarted, it was hard to predict who would win. Doing the false finish was an easy way to still make Hogan look good, they could easily have Hogan get a rematch based on the first finish. So while it's not Hogan's best steel cage match, it is a fairly important one that would start up a trend that would be whored out for years to come (Just see Batista vs Taker in 2007).

So overall, I'm giving the slight advantage to Orndorff vs Hogan. Had the booking going into the match been better, I probably would of gave the nod to Mysterio/Guerrero.

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King Steventon

Hogan/Andre.... doesn't ring a bell.


Thanks for the info though, I still prefered Eddie/Rey because I felt the matc itself was more interesting, whereas the only advantage Hogan/Orndorff has is the booking.

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KenTheKiller

I didn't think the Rey/Eddie ladder match was terrible >_>

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horrorfan_1986

It was botch after botch including the big finish with Vickie coming being botched by her not showing up on time. If that wasn't bad enough, it was a ladder match for the custody of a fuckin' kid. I know at times the WWE (Or wrestling in general) are prone to insult our intelligence, but this was one of the worst storylines I ever saw.

In terms of the entire feud, this was a feud ending match that turned out to not even be the final match. The match is just a great example for not even trying in ladder matches anymore. Every major spot was done to death in the past, the only exception is that they couldn't even keep it botch free.

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KenTheKiller

Lol I do remember the angle behind it being shit. I hated it.

But I still think the match was good, and if I recall there were only a couple botches.

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horrorfan_1986

I tend to remember every major spot being botched.
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