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Of Mice And Men?

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KenTheKiller

How would you like to see Hawkins used and would you enjoy Moore back in the E to tag with Yang?

Favorite and least favorite WCW stable ever (EXCLUDING THE NWO ORIGINAL)

Did you see big things for Mark Jindrak?

If Cade is back, are you happy about it or would you prefer not to see him?

Could TNA be using Jethro Holliday (Murdoch) better? How would you like to see him used?

Umaga is rumored to be returning to WWE, what brand would you like to see him on?

If Booker does return to WWE, where would you like to see him and what would you like to see him do?

Favorite WWE heel turn this year, Matt Hardy, CM Punk, or Batista? Rank if you want.

I believe you've said before you don't get the hype for Elijah Burke, but despite that do you think WWE dropped the ball on him?

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yeah but i am not talking in front of a live crowd like you would before huge event. i am talking empty arena or warehouse where the only one who was there was vince. with vince instructing them from black barts recount.


i was yaking to a buddy of mine about this today. last year when joe was tna world champion. it was hyped for sacrafice joe vs steiner. those two had good chemistry back in 06 i think it was at slamiversary. joe and steiner are main event which means more time for the match. for some stupid ass reason somehow kaz... is added to the world title match making a three way. then steiner is the one taking the fall for that match. what's your thoughts on that and should it been kaz who taken the fall?

thoughts on kaz as a performer? me and my friend talked about it. i said kaz is a bit overrated and does too much and doesn't slow it down enough and didn't have charisma. my friend said 'Kaz fucking blows... I use to shake my head in disallusionment when smarks actually thought it was a good idea for him to win the World's Championship with only one month of building.

thoughts on greg gagne and his wrestling career?

thoughts on when jim barnet screwed the nwa when he had tommy rich beat harley race for the nwa world title?

thoughts on the jackson/vladmir vs dreamer/goldust feud? and thoughts on both of a tag team and would you consider make shift team?

thoughts on abrama washington? appranetly is the brain child of a creative team member's idea about it with 3 former president's names in his name. do you think abrama was nessary?

with the countdown drawing near; how and where would you put bryan danielson?

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Huh?

I'm not sure to be honest. He hasn't had much of a chance to show off what he can be good at. For Ryder, they started the new gimmick by giving glimpses of it when they were still a team. I guess if nothing else, start a new trios faction with McIntyre, Escobar and Hawkins. Sort of the second coming of the New Breed. The setup is already there with feuding with Hardy, Killings and Finlay. With Vickie Guerrero as their manager, it could get over.

As for Moore, I'd only want to see him back if he is with Yang. I've never been too entertained by Moore outside of tag teams.

The nWo was never my favorite.

My favorite was the Dangerous Alliance. Rude, Austin, Eaton and Anderson with Heyman as their manager? Incredible. It also helps that so many great matches/programs revolved around them.

Least favorite? Would Teddy Long's faction of jobbers count? I can recall Jim Powers, Ice Train and a couple other losers being in it. Waste of time.

Not really. I was more of a fan of Sean O'Haire. In 2003, I saw bigger things for Lance Cade. He did start to impress me near the end of his WWE run, but it was never "Future" World Champion feel.
If Cade is back, are you happy about it or would you prefer not to see him?

No idea. I haven't seen Murdoch in TNA.

ECW. It's the brand he should have been placed on back in 2007. I could see him having some good matches with Christian. Umaga being the forth member of the Roundtable would be epic.

FCW and jobbing to Low-Ki. I heard Kaval was supposed to have return the other night. I wonder if he did. In other words, I don't want to see Booker T anymore.

Matt Hardy's didn't make any sense. He had turned on Jeff two other times for similar reasons so it didn't create any impact. Having Matt randomly turn face again made the whole thing pointless. I really enjoyed Batista's, but I have to go with Punk's. Going back to his straight edge heel gimmick was almost as if the writers were listening to the IWC. Punk finally has some purpose in the WWE.

1. Punk
2. Batista
3. The Miz (On Morrison)
4. The Big Show (On Raw)
5. Matt Hardy

I never hated Burke. I still think his matches with Punk were some of Punk's best early matches and destroyed the Punk/Morrison matches in quality. However, the way some people treated him, they acted as if it was a crime he wasn't pushed to be the World Champion. He was good, but it wasn't a huge disservice that he wasn't used. Did they drop the ball on him? Sure, but it wasn't the end of the world.

I have no idea what you're talking about. If it took those two practicing the match in the middle of nowhere for Vince for it to be good, I'm glad they did.

I wasn't watching TNA. IIRC, from reading the results at the time, that was the night Kaz was in two matches? It would have been fine had Kaz been pushed past then. But not pushing him made it pointless.

I used to like Kaz. He was pretty enjoyable in TNA and I couldn't believe they were having him job to a Nascar announcer on PPV. He's another one of those guys who should have been pushed sooner. Once again, I don't understand why they teased a push without doing anything. I really enjoyed his feud with Robert Roode and AJ Styles.

I've enjoyed what I've seen of him in AWA. He seems to get a bad rep for being pushed because he was Verne's kid. But the guy had talent and with how often someone would jump to another company, I don't blame Verne for pushing him.

Rumor has it that Tommy Rich went down on Barnett to get the title. Considering Rich only held it for four days, I would say Barnett was a smart man. It didn't hurt the NWA and he got a little man loving which he was into. I hope winning a booked title by going down on a guy was worth it for Rich.

I don't really care about it. The only one I care about from the Roundtable is Regal. It's good that they're finding time for non-title feuds on ECW though.

I'm pretty sure I've talked about Washington several times in this thread.

What countdown? There isn't any timetable for Dragon to make the main roster. For now? ECW is good enough. Give him some air time against Burchill and a dream match against Regal. Christian vs Dragon would be incredible.

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yeah for countdown refering to the days till danielson on wwe tv. my bad.

you hear about people in charge of booking/company being an asshole. best example is ole anderson who got off on the fact he was an asshole; was his way or the highway also had tunnel vision. bill watts for he for instance grab a guy who did a bad choke or something and show choking the guy who made the blunder. on the same hand also had tunnel vision. both of these guys would listen to their talent because they are on in the same; was or still is a wrestler so it that respect thing. now i know where you think this is going. what is your opinion on what tna did here on impact
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? did dixie go over the line here especially showing that live on tv when it is no work or anything.

also what is your take on roberts/honky tonkman on snake pit when honky smashes a guitar over jake's head. but the guitar didn't but like it did and sounded very stiff. also it still wouldn't break after hitting him a few more times. jake has quoted saying the guy who got the guitar had a different idea what it was going to be used for. honky said he gimicked the guitar so much that once touch and it would break; said afa or captain loui wanted to play but honky said no because it would break so easily.

what do you think is missing from wrestling today?

thoughts on missing link?

who would you consider to be the best underdog of all time?

thoughts on the super destroyers *scott and bill irwin*?

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Was this shown on iMPACT? I only saw bits and pieces up until Nigel had his match, then I turned it off this week. If it was, I'm really baffled as to why they even taped it to play on the show. It sounds like one of those meetings you hear about in the dirtsheets or on news sites. To actually show it is really bizarre. Dixie didn't say anything wrong in her speech, but I just don't "Get it". Unless they're planning on making Dixie Carter a regular character on the show, what was even the point of showing it?

Right now, if I was a wrestler for TNA, I would be very scared. It sounds like the company will undergo major changes, which will be bad for some.

It's been awhile since I've heard Honky's side of the story, but IIRC, they both agree that it was supposed to be gimmicked, but it wasn't. It sounds like a simple mistake. The real debate comes in whether Jake was injured by it or not. He says he was, but Honky says he wasn't and cited the fact that Roberts kept wrestling for a few more months. I believe it was when Jake took time off to look after the neck, that was really a cover for the drug suspension. But that's just speculation as I'm not 100% sure when it happened.

Squashes. I've been saying this for years now. It may be more "Exciting" to have big name vs big name in all of the matches on TV, but it's not helping the product. It's the main reason why (With the exception of Chris Jericho vs The Undertaker), the WWE doesn't have any major matches left to put on. We've seen them all countless times. Because we saw name vs name so little back before the Monday Night Wars began, it made everything more important. Even the pointless last minute additions to PPV's with zero build had some importance since we didn't get to see a Ronnie Garvin/Dino Bravo match all of the time.

I've found a lot of the booking of newcomers to be so counterproductive when they get put over the establish talent right off the bat. How did losing to Eric Escobar help Matt Hardy? Then again, what did going over Hardy do for Escobar? Everyone will know the WWE is just planning on pushing him down our throats. Kozlov's debut was fantastic. Just quickly murdering the jobbers made him look impressive without forcing anyone of name value to be hurt from it. Doing that allowed Kozlov to keep looking more impressive each time he increased the quality of his opponents.

I can understand why squashes went out of fashion. WCW wanted to look more impressive than the WWE and the WWE had to follow suite. But those days are long gone and the audience can be retrained. In the long run, it will be better.

I've seen too little of him to have a real opinion.

I think I'd like to think about this for a bit longer.

I have an AWA Scott Irwin figure.
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That's about as much as I know about the Irwin brothers. I was a Goon fan though.

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yeah i found when dixie came off looking an asshole but even bishoff asked for ideas from mike graham; mike if you were in charge what would you do. mike sugested disney and helped hogan get signed; along with slowly phasing out the clashs with more ppv to increase rates. i remember hearing a quote from jake that he got from dory funk jr; the day you stop learning somthing new in the ring is the day you retire.

thoughts on brad armstrong including the good in the 80's followed by badstreet in freebirds then after that? do you think brad would be suited to be a trainer?

we have touched base on erik watts a few times already. how would brought in erik watt into wcw at the time? would you sent him to smw or uswa to practice more before coming on tbs?

thoughts on bruno/larry feud which is considered one of the best feuds of all time?

thoughts on raven and the flock and the evoloution of that stable in ecw to wcw to tna?

thoughts on triple threat?

thoughts on cornette saying tha triple h was never the draw he was the guy you drew money with but on his own?

how qould had booked instead of nash/hall the outsiders going wcw but to ecw?

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What did she say that made her look like an asshole? It was a rally speech that made it seem like she was very committed to seeing TNA succeed.

Besides Jamie Noble, Brad Armstrong has been my pick for most underrated talent. Even after he was no longer receiving any sort of push by WCW (About the time Hogan came in?) he was still their best JTTS. I don't know why they didn't invest more time in his. Sure, his mic skills weren't too high and he wasn't nearly as charismatic as Road Dogg, but he had the mat talent. If Chris Benoit and Dean Malenko could excel in WCW with the same limitations, why couldn't Armstrong? Besides the horrible MIA gimmick, I can't recall Armstrong doing anything of value from 1995 on with the exception of a few good low key matches with Malenko.

As far as Badstreet, whenever I get back to watching 1991 PPV's from WCW, I'll see more of him. So I've only seen the very beginnings of it. Personally, I don't understand it. You have someone of massive talent and direct relation to one of the guys the Freebirds were feuding with at the time. Yet, you never reveal who Badstreet was? Anyone could have donned the mask. Very disappointing to see WCW waste the talent of a Brad Armstrong in 1991. Then again, this was 1991 we're talking about. So it was hardly the worst thing they did then.

I wouldn't have done anything with him. He was horrible in WCW and was terrible in TNA last I saw of him. Despite being a professional wrestler for over a decade, Watts never became passable. Why waste time booking him when there were far more talented guys who wasn't getting pushed? (Brad Armstrong for example).

It's hard to say it's the best when only the major matches are available. Yet, the actual story of it was fantastic. I'm not sure how often that turn angle had been done before, but I know it has been used many times since then. As someone who's never really been a Zbyszko fan, I feel the feud made him a star that he could live off of it for the rest of his career. After that, it was all down hill.

I didn't see much of the original version in ECW as I started watching regularly once it was put on TNN. The main knowledge of it comes from WCW and the few weekly PPV's I bought of TNA with the Gathering. I really loved the Flock though. Outside of Raven, Saturn and Kidman (Since Richards wasn't really a member), there wasn't anyone of real quality. Yet, through the collaboration of being in the Flock, they got over to a certain degree. Lodi is a great example. Here was a guy with zero talent, yet he got so over because he held signs. Kidman owes his career to the Flock as well. I can remember watching Kidman as a jobber (Most memorable match being against Ric Flair on the Main Event or whatever the Saturday morning show was). Without the Flock, I doubt he would have done anything special. Through the group, he was able to stand out from the rest of the crusierweights until he was the most over outside of Rey Mysterio (After the likes of Jericho, Malenko and Eddie left the division).

Despite being short lived, I really dug the idea of the Dead Pool (Raven, Vampiro and ICP). At the time, Vampiro was one of my favorite WCW wrestlers while I always enjoyed Raven. So it was a short lived dream faction. But alas, WCW didn't keep Raven happy, so the moment he got a chance to leave, he took it.

I believe I already touched on the fact that I didn't see as much of the Gathering as I would of liked. However, when I first saw them together, I was very pleased at who was in it. For years, I would read the Apter magazines, especially Pro Wrestling Illustrated. So I knew of Julio Sanchez by name only. Through ECW on TNN, I got to finally see him as the renamed Julio Dinero. I suppose I have sort of a complex where I become a fan of a wrestler if I read enough about him back in the days before I had the net and only had the magazines. Same deal with Misawa. So the Gathering had one thumbs up with Dinero being in it. I had seen CM Punk in one tag match earlier in 2003. It was just one of his first appearances so he was nothing more than a jobber. Yet, there was something about him I really dug. So putting him in a faction with two other wrestlers I enjoyed, really completed the trio nicely. One of these days, I'd like to watch the complete CM Punk/Raven/Gathering storyline in ROH and TNA.

Through the factions, Raven made superstars. Some may of not been able to remain entertaining once Raven left, but so many wrestlers was able to shine through Raven's factions. Not only did he help make stars, but through the Flock, Raven made himself a star. Raven is a shinning example of someone who made himself a star, despite the booking not pushing him to be one. For years (Even before joining the IWC) I have heard people talk about how Raven could have been a main eventer in WCW. I still feel that way and I believe someone(s) stopped it out of jealousy and/or fear for their spot. 1999 should have been the main event of DDP, Chris Benoit, Raven and Booker T. Maybe had that happened, we wouldn't be discussing WCW in the past tense.

The match type or the faction?

Well, Cornette's right. Hunter was making money with Steve Austin and The Rock. Yet, when it was his time to wrestle without them, the ratings and money wasn't the same.

Come again?

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triple threat the faction

lol typeo

how would you book hall/nash the outsiders going to ecw instead of wcw back in 96?

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Sir Nicky Talent

How would you book The Embassy right now in ROH to make them a bit less stale? Also, how would you feel Brian Kendrick would do for the company if he rejoined?

Also, I read you never really cared for Amasis. Are you that same way about the Osirian Portal?

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