Unpopular Wrestling Opinions

CGS · 07-03-2009, 07:26 AM

No doubt Hardy has made an effort to keep Clean i think the WWE just wanna make sure that he can continue to keep clean & will sign a new contract before they give him a decent enough title reign. Understandable really. Don't wanna give him the belt & then he just leaves the company or fucks up half way through the reign. Also i agree that Jeff is a bit more safer in the ring now. He doesn't do half the amount of crazy stuff he used to back in the day & although not great he has improved somewhat in the ring. Could be better though. I still see him as somewhat of a spot wrestler.

Also i would say that Matt is pretty charismatic. More so as a face than as a heel. As a face i would say he is one of the top 10 over stars in the company along with the likes of Cena, Mysterio, Jeff etc...His heel run right now has been poor though. When he comes back from injury he will probably continue the feud with Jeff since both of them are on SD now. Jeff has always been the more popular brother with the fans & the WWE in general though even with all the mistakes he makes. His heel run right now has been poor though. When he comes back from injury he will probably continue the feud with Jeff since both of them are on SD now.

horrorfan_1986 · 07-03-2009, 07:27 AM

Jeff Hardy is in this awkward Rob Van Dam-like position where he's extremely over, but he's just not the type to carry a company. Since he is in that weird role, the WWE doesn't really know what to do with him. Even without the drug violations, I can't really see Hardy main eventing a Wrestlemania. Jeff main eventing a Wrestlemania just doesn't feel big to me. As much as I dislike Triple H, he can be booked in any position on any show and I'd feel it was believable. It doesn't matter who's in a company, I can see Hunter main eventing. He has that aura about himself. If it wasn't for the brand extension, I doubt Jeff would have ever won a World Title in the WWE.

Jeff is exactly what Jimmy Snuka was in the early 80's. He's one of the more popular attractions, but not the attraction.

Roxy · 07-03-2009, 08:04 AM

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No doubt Hardy has made an effort to keep Clean i think the WWE just wanna make sure that he can continue to keep clean & will sign a new contract before they give him a decent enough title reign. Understandable really. Don't wanna give him the belt & then he just leaves the company or fucks up half way through the reign. Also i agree that Jeff is a bit more safer in the ring now. He doesn't do half the amount of crazy stuff he used to back in the day & although not great he has improved somewhat in the ring. Could be better though. I still see him as somewhat of a spot wrestler.

Also i would say that Matt is pretty charismatic. More so as a face than as a heel. As a face i would say he is one of the top 10 over stars in the company along with the likes of Cena, Mysterio, Jeff etc...His heel run right now has been poor though. When he comes back from injury he will probably continue the feud with Jeff since both of them are on SD now. Jeff has always been the more popular brother with the fans & the WWE in general though even with all the mistakes he makes. His heel run right now has been poor though. When he comes back from injury he will probably continue the feud with Jeff since both of them are on SD now.

Agreed.

Jeff isn't Bret Hart in the ring, but compare him to the 2002 Jeff Hardy and the difference is amazing. He has improved his Technical and Mat game, and become a solid wrestler who doesn't fail to put on a good match.

Matt I think was better as a face, I liked the heel V1 Matt Hardy because that guy had bags of charisma, he was hilarious, entertaining, and even the face Matt Hardy was this lovable character who you always loved to watch because he's down-right entertaining. When I got to see him live, the crowd was hot for him, and with him being on Raw, well that was pretty stupid because he'd never get to the top because there's such a huge gap between midcarders and main eventers. Which, is why i'm glad he's on Smackdown, he can actually win a world title on there, and though i'm not sure he'll continue his feud with Jeff, if his brother leaves, then I could see them turning Matt face and have him be on of the very few top faces on the brand.

His heel turn was great at the start, but as I said, he moved to Raw and booking turned sour and it was stale, and he was randomly competing in matches every week. He didn't have a storyline, or a feud he could focus on, chucking him into matches will not get him heat.

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Jeff Hardy is in this awkward Rob Van Dam-like position where he's extremely over, but he's just not the type to carry a company. Since he is in that weird role, the WWE doesn't really know what to do with him. Even without the drug violations, I can't really see Hardy main eventing a Wrestlemania. Jeff main eventing a Wrestlemania just doesn't feel big to me. As much as I dislike Triple H, he can be booked in any position on any show and I'd feel it was believable. It doesn't matter who's in a company, I can see Hunter main eventing. He has that aura about himself. If it wasn't for the brand extension, I doubt Jeff would have ever won a World Title in the WWE.

Jeff is exactly what Jimmy Snuka was in the early 80's. He's one of the more popular attractions, but not the attraction.

Yeah, though i've always felt Jeff could be bigger than he is now, but he doesn't suit McMahons vision of an 'ideal' wrestler. He doesn't have that house hold name like Cena, Triple H, Taker, or even Batista do. Jeff Hardy is that kind of guy that doesn't need to be Cena/Triple H pushed, because the fans eat him up regardless. He's one of those wrestlers than Vince can make money off without putting him into main events at Wrestlemania, and without having him win tons of World Titles. Though i'm still expecting another title win from him soon because when he won at Armageddon his merchindise sales sky rocketed.

Tommy Platinum · 07-03-2009, 09:01 AM

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Yeah, though i've always felt Jeff could be bigger than he is now, but he doesn't suit McMahons vision of an 'ideal' wrestler. He doesn't have that house hold name like Cena, Triple H, Taker, or even Batista do. Jeff Hardy is that kind of guy that doesn't need to be Cena/Triple H pushed, because the fans eat him up regardless. He's one of those wrestlers than Vince can make money off without putting him into main events at Wrestlemania, and without having him win tons of World Titles. Though i'm still expecting another title win from him soon because when he won at Armageddon his merchindise sales sky rocketed.

That depends on whether he's actually staying with the company. Is there any news on that?

Anyway, I personally think Jeff is the type to carry the company, and it is really only his violations that have been holding him back. I can see why WWE are unwilling to take a chance on Hardy and make him the next big thing, because if he fucks up one more time he's gone, and all that build would be for nothing. At the same time, he is still extremely over so they have to keep pushing him somewhat, they just don't want to make too big a commitment by building the show around him.

It's a shame because he really is very over and in my opinion very exciting. He would be a great wrestler to give a long reign. I remember when he faced Triple H at No Mercy and EVERYBODY wanted Hardy to win, but for some reason they keep the title on Trips... again. Then the next PPV, Triple H beats him clean for a second time. Hardy eventually wins the title but doesn't pin Trips, winning it from Edge instead, so Triple H avoids putting him over and makes him look like a joke of a Champion because the show still centres around him. And people say Triple H likes Jeff? Certainly didn't help him there.

I do agree that Hardy is the sort of guy who is probably more entertaining chasing the belt. I love it when Hardy comes so close but gets screwed out of his dream somehow. I think he works very well in that role, but he really should have gone over Triple H because even Hardy haters were marking when he hit that swanton, only for Trips to no sell it and win with some BS rollup.

Right now though, they're doing the right thing. Keeping him in main events so he looks a big deal, but not taking too big a risk by putting the belt on him long term.

Roxy · 07-03-2009, 09:28 AM

There's no news about Jeff and his current status with the company. Dirt-sheets are giving mixed things, some say he's staying, other's say he's leaving. We'll not know til at least Summerslam.

The thing is with WWE, they're probably at 50/50 with Jeff. If they give him the title, then he could screw up and make the company look bad, but at the same time, they put that title on Jeff then the money will come flying in. The thing is, Jeff pulls in twice as many fans, if not more, than your average wrestler. And for all we know, Vince might not give a rats ass about Jeffs drug issues simply because he's a money making machine.

As for the whole Triple H/Jeff thing, well Triple H did help, but out of all their matches, Jeff never beat him clean (when i say clean in this context, i mean with a finisher, and 1 2 3). It was always via roll up. It was a pain because everytime Jeff came close, he just never had a real solid win over Triple H. I mean, would going over him clean really be that bad? I remember No Mercy, because Jeff out performed Triple H (whether people want to admit this or not), and the crowd weren't really bothered about Triple H retaining. Jeff is a fresh face to the title scene compared to Cena, Trips, Batista, Orton, Edge, they like seeing him because he isn't stale and instead you have him and Punk in the mix, rather than the same guys passing the titles round like a hot potatoe.

Jeff is one of the most entertaining guys in the company, his selling is great, his work ethic is great, and it's very, very rare that he has a match which makes you think 'Oh man, that sucked'. Alright, he can get spotty, but this is entertainment, we do not see 30 minute technical/mat matches anymore. It's in the name, world wrestling entertainment, and if jumping off a guard rail, throwing in the odd spot, is what it takes to live up the entertainment part, then so be it. He has that 'it' factor which makes the crowd buzz, he has his own style, and isn't like every wrestler, he's weird but unique, he's an exciting guy, and the crowd like it because he isn't John Cena, he isn't Triple H, he isn't Randy Orton, he isn't Edge, he's Jeff Hardy, that guy who has rainbow hair, retro armbands, and a personality which connects with near enough 95% of the wrestling demographic.

God · 07-03-2009, 01:10 PM

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Probably the most "unpopular" wrestling opinion that i carry, is that i am a fan of deathmatches. However, my tastes in deathmatches have become more refined over the years. I know alot of people talk about how it doesnt take any skill to be a deathmatch wrestler and that it only appeals to people with no taste in wrestling. However, look back at the days of FMW. They used to sellout 50,000 seat arenas for there shows and Atsushi Onita brought emotion and passion to the style, sometimes delivering such passionate promos, it would bring him to tears.

However, there is a definite line between Japanese Deathmatch wrestling and American Deathmatch wrestling. American deathmatch wrestling originally was a very "you hit me, i hit you" style. Now a days, its a bit more of a hybrid style with guys like Drake Younger, Danny Havoc, Devon Moore, and Scotty Vortex, that are able to do the deathmatches and straight up wrestling matches. Ian Rotten, on the other hand, (as well as several others), are disgraces to any form of wrestling and really dont provide any redeming value to their matches. They dont provide any psychology to their in ring performance.

Now Japanese deathmatch wrestling is very different. They use the weapons in the match to enhance it, not over kill it to appease blood marks. Guys like Yuko Miyamoto, Takashi Sasaki, Masahi Takeda, and Jaki Numazawa provide entertaining matches that just happen to involve light tubes.

Now there is the argument that it doesnt require skill to be a deathmatch wrestler. With some cases this is true, but deathmatch fans are not stupid. If you have a "you hit me, i hit you" match, they will pick up on it and not be entertained. Selling and psychology are two of the biggest factors here. If you get up right after going through a pane of glass, fans arent gonna buy it. Just my 2 cents.

I dont mind watching the American death matches. I enjoy seeing how many ways people can come up with to shorten their careers. Japan for the most part make them entertaining without having to nearly kill the other person.