Roxy

Couldn't agree more. This is why I like the Knockouts. They have character, you got a redneck (OBD), a monster (Kong), the queen bees (TBP), super-women (Taylor), Goth Kinda chick (Daffney), ect. It's all pretty thought out, but with WWE, well, it's not. The Divas just walk down to the ring, all bouncy and happy like their life is perfect.

I'll probably post some of her circuit work, but it's available on youtube, well some of it. They suspended my YT channel for putting a ROH match up, lol. The WWE style of womens wrestling is normal the basic FCW movesets; Layla, Kelly, Eve, ect, are examples. Most of the ones who don't have the typical WWE movesets are the ones like Nattie, Katie, Mickie, Beth, Melina, because they did have some wrestling exp before WWE.


Kelly also slept with a high-profile wrestler who just happens to be Triple H's best friend. I can't be the only one who noticed that she started winning matches when she was sleeping with Big Dave, and when they split up she started jobbing again. It was only up until recently they started pushing her again.

Every wrestler can benefit from a big angle, but with WWE, they where never going to give every new Diva a huge break. I've no idea why they gave Mickie the angle, she was lucky she got it. Booking was decent back then, it always was, but when girls like Nattie and Katie entered the company, booking was at its worst, and they seemed to throw the girls in as heels who wanted titles. No character, nothing.

I've seen, lol.

Mickie has been treated very well in comparison to other Divas. She's still the top face on her brand, she's still the top face diva in the company, and failed angle or not, she DID work with the biggest guy in the entire company, John Cena. I've no room to complain. I'll only complain when they start ruining Mickies crediblity, and WWE have yet to do that. But yeah, Mickie is still pushed, she still wins matches, and I still get to see her every week. Bad treatment is what they did to Jillian, and no i'm not talking about her sugery, the last win I actually recall her getting was a match she had against Mickie in Sept/Oct 2007.

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Kizza

Correction. Swagger & Miz are tied for the award.

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Tommy Platinum

lol what's wrong with them? Miz may be overrated in the ring, but he has definitely improved a lot and I thought people mainly praised his charisma over his ring ability anyway?

As for Swagger, he seems pretty damn good to me.

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Kizza

Oh, Swagger just reeks of generic. Everytime I see him, it's just, ugh. Generic written all over him. He should be called Jack Jenerico (yes i know it's not how you spell Generic >_>)

Plus, I just hate Miz on the mic and in the ring. Now since he's not been with Morrison everyone seems to fucking love him, and transfer their JoMo love over to him. It's an absolute bandwagon. Same with Swagger.

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Bon

People may actually agree with this, but Zack Ryder is so damn good. I take no issue with saying I'm his number 1 fan here. Not saying that like how people randomly say stuff like that, but I've been watching him since he was just starting out here years ago.

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TheBoogeyMan

Probably the most "unpopular" wrestling opinion that i carry, is that i am a fan of deathmatches. However, my tastes in deathmatches have become more refined over the years. I know alot of people talk about how it doesnt take any skill to be a deathmatch wrestler and that it only appeals to people with no taste in wrestling. However, look back at the days of FMW. They used to sellout 50,000 seat arenas for there shows and Atsushi Onita brought emotion and passion to the style, sometimes delivering such passionate promos, it would bring him to tears.

However, there is a definite line between Japanese Deathmatch wrestling and American Deathmatch wrestling. American deathmatch wrestling originally was a very "you hit me, i hit you" style. Now a days, its a bit more of a hybrid style with guys like Drake Younger, Danny Havoc, Devon Moore, and Scotty Vortex, that are able to do the deathmatches and straight up wrestling matches. Ian Rotten, on the other hand, (as well as several others), are disgraces to any form of wrestling and really dont provide any redeming value to their matches. They dont provide any psychology to their in ring performance.

Now Japanese deathmatch wrestling is very different. They use the weapons in the match to enhance it, not over kill it to appease blood marks. Guys like Yuko Miyamoto, Takashi Sasaki, Masahi Takeda, and Jaki Numazawa provide entertaining matches that just happen to involve light tubes.

Now there is the argument that it doesnt require skill to be a deathmatch wrestler. With some cases this is true, but deathmatch fans are not stupid. If you have a "you hit me, i hit you" match, they will pick up on it and not be entertained. Selling and psychology are two of the biggest factors here. If you get up right after going through a pane of glass, fans arent gonna buy it. Just my 2 cents.

Sparverine

Jeff Hardy never should have been World Champion. Most wrestlers deserve to be a main eventer before him.

CGS

I kinda agree with you on that one. The dude has fucked up time after time after time & still gets pushed to the sky. It's unfair to other people who don't fuck up at up but get no where near the main event scene. I especially feel this way about Matt Hardy. I always saw Matt as the better of the two brothers & he was much more loyal than Jeff, never fucked up & even let WWE do a storyline on his personal business & got fired for it. Also I feel matt is the better wrestler but Jeff got pushed to the sky simple because he was able to get the fans behind him a lot more than Matt could.

That's from a personal standpoint. From a business standpoint putting Jeff in the main event scene was one of the best moves the WWE could make. The guy is easily one of the top five other guys in the WWE and sells a hell of a lot of Merchandise. Cena & maybe Mysterio are the only other guys who sell more merchandise than Hardy. So Having Hardy in the main event scene = easy $$$$$$$.

I think you could also mention to be fair that he hasn't really had a good title reign. His first title reign lasted what 3 weeks & he wasn't even the main focus of the show when he was champion. His second title reign lasted only a few minutes as well. I see two sides to why the WWE are doing this really. One side is that it's an angle that it seems they've been doing from last year where Jeff is "almost there" but "not there yet" & the other side is that WWE know they can make money off him by having him in the main event scene but at the same time don't want to pull the trigger on him just in case he's messes up again. I mean the guy is on his 2nd strike now.

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Roxy

Haha, I remember when Jeff was champ, the show was still about Triple H. When it comes to Matt Hardy, I like him, but I never say he's never fucked up, simply because we haven't seen his traits. We know Jeff messes up because it's been well publicized time and time again, and it is unfair to other works that Jeff gets pushed, but it can be argued that pushing guys like Punk over people who have been there for longer is also unfair. WWE is a business, and you get rewarded for being marketable. I'm sure if Matt Hardy was more charismatic, and connected with the crowd better, he'd be more over than he is now, i'll go out and say he'd probably have a World Title if he was more marketable.

Jeff can put on 20 minute matches which don't get boring, and I think that's why the company hands him title shots, he draws and he entertains. I do agree they keep putting him in main-events and having him lose because they're scared he'll mess up. However he had the title last time, and he proved he could hold a World Title and do a decent job; sadly booking made it look horrible, but it was not Jeffs fault. They're probably jobbing him at PPV's now because of the contract issues, but if you notice, Jeff loses a hell of alot more on PPV's then he wins.

Jeff does have two violations, and maybe i'm being narrow minded but i don't think he'll mess up again. He's come a long way from last year, he's kept himself clean, and is being smart about his decisions now. He's come leaps and bounds and improved in the ring dramatically. And in the end, Jeff is safe in the ring, he goes out and gives it his all, he's courteous to his fans, he's made a huge effort to keep himself on track, and that in itself does deserve something, a World Title? Possibly but I can list many other wrestlers who didn't deserve the World Title, and Jeff Hardy isn't one of them.

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CGS

No doubt Hardy has made an effort to keep Clean i think the WWE just wanna make sure that he can continue to keep clean & will sign a new contract before they give him a decent enough title reign. Understandable really. Don't wanna give him the belt & then he just leaves the company or fucks up half way through the reign. Also i agree that Jeff is a bit more safer in the ring now. He doesn't do half the amount of crazy stuff he used to back in the day & although not great he has improved somewhat in the ring. Could be better though. I still see him as somewhat of a spot wrestler.

Also i would say that Matt is pretty charismatic. More so as a face than as a heel. As a face i would say he is one of the top 10 over stars in the company along with the likes of Cena, Mysterio, Jeff etc...His heel run right now has been poor though. When he comes back from injury he will probably continue the feud with Jeff since both of them are on SD now. Jeff has always been the more popular brother with the fans & the WWE in general though even with all the mistakes he makes. His heel run right now has been poor though. When he comes back from injury he will probably continue the feud with Jeff since both of them are on SD now.

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