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Old 06-30-2009, 01:37 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Who are you top five favorite(not necessarily in order) wrestlers going today?
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Best Brawler.......Stan Hansen or Bruiser Brody?
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Old 06-30-2009, 01:54 AM   #13 (permalink)
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People love asking questions. I still don't know why my Ask Jim thread became so popular that there were 4 editions of it.

From talking to Bon Jr, it seems as if you still watch indy wrestling. However, how do you feel about the changes to mainstream wrestling from when you began watching?
Ahhh, this is gonna be a long one.....

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Folly.

When I started, there were 2 weekly syndicated shows-Championship Wrestling and All Star Wrestling. The formula was exactly the same for both shows-5 matches, usually all squashes, and a localized interview halfway through hyping that month's big show. Here in NY, that big show was always at the
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showcase-Madison Square Garden.

We were lucky in that we had cable TV early on, and I got to see each month's MSG show live on cable. Two things quickly became apparent-the champ (usually Bruno) was incredibly over, and the booking was completely by-the-numbers. The pattern was noticable to even a 13 year old mark and it was almost always the same. Let's use Waldo Von Erich as an example-

Month 1-Waldo Von Erich returns to MSG, and decimates the #2 babyface-usually either Chief Jay Strongbow or Ivan Putski. Because of the savage beating Waldo gave the babyface, he became the number one contender, and would get a title shot next month.

Month 2-Waldo gets his title shot, and wins the match-but not the belt-by either a DQ or a blood stoppage. Next month-the inevitable Texas Death Match!

Month 3-Texas Death Match, Bruno gets his pinfall victory over Waldo, and Waldo begins the long slow slide down the card.

Month in and month out, the same pattern, hardly ever changing. And Madison Square Garden would sell out 18000 seats every month, sometimes even selling another 5000 seats downstairs in the Felt Forum to watch that night's show live on closed circuit TV. Why mess with the formula if you're selling out The Garden every month?

Vince Jr. messed with the formula. A lot.

I don't need to detail what happened post-1983, but it certainly had its good points and bad points.

Wrestlemania III, and seeing 80,000 people in a football stadium to watch wrestling? Definitely a good point.

A bad point? The oversaturation of programming, both of free TV, and Pay Per View.

Believe it or not, there was a time when there was one (WWF) wrestling PPV a year, and that was Wrestlemania. Inevitably, more followed, and we ended up with 5 a year. Looking back, that wasn't really a bad thing, because each show meant something. Feuds were given time to develop, and there was actual long term booking going on. Legend had it, in the early days, when one year's Mania ended, Vince already had the next year's storylines scripted out up to Mania again. I believe it.

Oversaturation means, in theory, more money for McMahon, but it also has the effect of making PPV's mean nothing. It's to the point where the tail is wagging the dog-it sometimes feels like the PPV exists to hype the next night's RAW. It's a TNA way of doing business, but that's another dissertation for another day.

Getting back to Jim's question-it still amazes me that wrestling has become as mainstream as it has. The business will always go through boom and bust periods. It's pointless to talk about match quality, because nobody in 1973 could have dreamed of what Rey Mysterio would be doing night in and night out.

I remember when WWF put out their Bloodbath steel cage match DVD, and I was thrilled that the MSG Bruno/Koloff cage match from '75 was on there.....until I got home and watched the match. It kinda sucked.

In summation, because I'm babbling like Mike Adamle-I'm amazed at how big, and how mainstream the business has gotten. I'm also amazed that despite how big the business has gotten, I still enjoy ROH and Chikara more than pretty much anything Vince puts out there.

Screw Triple H and his 15 minute promos-I'm infinitely more interested in what Ultramantis has to say!
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Old 06-30-2009, 01:59 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Are you an avid fan of CHIKARA as Bon is and can you please give me your opinion on FIST?
I don't think anyone besides Quack is as avid a Chikara fan as Bon. With that said, Fist? Love Chucky and Akuma-Icarus, I'm not as sold on, but that boy gets his heel heat every night.

Real, honest heel heat seems hard to come by in Chikara-The Order should be the top heels, but they get face pops every night.

Vin Gerard and Unstable? They get some heel heat.

Icarus? THAT'S heel heat!

Fist is a solid, solid 3 man team. The mask vs hair match with the Colony was absolutely one of the best things I've seen live, and I'm looking forward to seeing it again on DVD.
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Old 06-30-2009, 02:00 AM   #15 (permalink)
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So, what do you think of the womens division in WWE compared to TNA? Probably don't care about any of them, but meh.
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Old 06-30-2009, 02:02 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Thoughts on the Miz?

great wrestler, or greatest wrestler
Potential, potential, potential.

I'll be honest-when Miz & Morrison broke up, I expected Miz to become Marty Jannetty. He didn't.

Miz is gold on the mike, and his ring work keeps getting better and better.

Would it have killed Cena to let Miz shine a tiny bit in their PPV match?

Bon has gone on record saying that he feels Miz=Next Roddy Piper. I hesitate to go that far, but I feel Miz's future is bright.
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Ricky Steamboat - Better In The Seventies or better in the eighties?
I can't make that call, because I haven't seen much of his 70's work, but he was one of the best ever. Seriously.

His body of work with Flair and Savage speaks for itself. It's a shame that WWF had to make him a cartoon character.
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Who are you top five favorite(not necessarily in order) wrestlers going today?
Damn.

This isn't going to be in any kind of order, and I'll probably end up with more than just 5, but I truly enjoy watching-

American Dragon

Edge

Jericho

Marafuji

American Wolves

Steen & Generico

Not one of my top favorites, but Mysterio has really stepped up his game this year.

Nigel

There are some people in TNA that I enjoy watching, but I just can't sit through Vince Russo's puppet show. What that company did to Joe is a Damn shame.
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Old 06-30-2009, 02:12 AM   #19 (permalink)
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And of course that's not including any of the Chikara roster,correct?
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Best Brawler.......Stan Hansen or Bruiser Brody?
You're hurting me with this one, Nick!

In the ring-I'd have to say they were pretty Damn close.

Out of the ring-watch some Japan stuff on YouTube. Hansen more or less gets to the ring without incident...Brody comes out swinging that chain, and the Japanese fans run for their lives!

Two of the best brawlers ever, without a doubt. Others have come close, but Brody & Hansen are the top of the heap.
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