Tommy Platinum

I think Jeff gets a lot of unfair criticism regarding his ring work. It is usually traditionalist fans who think that what he does isn't "real wrestling", but he knows how to tell a story and his matches are entertaining, so that is real wrestling to me. His moveset fits his daredevil gimmick, and its only when he wrestles in ladder matches that his matches are spotfests in any way. Usually they are just good wrestling matches. He always puts on good matches both on TV and PPV.

I personally felt a few of the Umaga matches were greatness. I don't see how anybody could say the match at Great American Bash or the RAW match were bad unless they were blind haters. I think he's had a lot of standout matches since returning in 2006, but he's also consistently produced TV matches that were solid at worst.

Sure he was terrible in TNA, but as has been said, he was on drugs and didn't seem to care. Plus everybody seems to have bad matches in TNA.

I don't see where all this "he doesn't care" stuff comes from. Anybody who puts their body through some of the things he does in the name of entertainment has to care about what they do, and the contract stuff is all speculation at this stage.

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Roxy

Stop using matches from seven years ago as examples then. Like it or not, Jeff Hardy is a fantastic entertainer. Jeff has his own spin when it comes to his moveset, he had a great series of matches with Jericho, and Jeff has had some good matches this year on top of his Wrestlemania and Judgement Day match.

Take that up with Dave Meltzer. Like it or not, it got four stars.

The match was fine, and again, match of the night. It was Extreme Rules, an PPV in which every match had to have a gimmick. The whole idea was to have Jeff reach for the title, like he would a ring, and grab it, as he did but he had it snatched away from him. So yes, it needed the gimmick. Both men where beaten down, go check the Smackdown after the PPV, both Edge and Jeff where selling the injuries/bumps from their match.

And how is that Jeff Hardys fault? It's called booking. Jeff looked worn out, he looked out of breath, he was selling. Jeff just won the title, of course he wasn't going to be 'dead' he was estatic, excited from winning the belt. I'm not even going to debate this because it's actually getting stupid now.

And Jeff trapping Edge, then winning the title was the holy shit moment. Michaels/Jericho was better than Edge/Jeff, but both had their good spots, and both where entertaining, why complain?

Tell me, what other wrestlers recently have been putting on entertaining matches? Cena/Show? Triple H/Orton? The only other wrestlers who have been consistant in performances this year are Chris Jericho, Edge and Rey.

Again, take my advice and stay of dirt sheets. Nobody knows that Jeff is leaving, so stop basing your argument on something that might not even happen. Jeff Hardy might be burned out from wrestling, and he might be taking a break, he has lots of nagging injuries. Jericho took a break, didn't he? So can Jeff. I see no problem with it. Someone is going to take Jeffs place, and become the top face of Smackdown, so there's no flaws at all with what Jeff is doing. It's selfish of you if you wan't him to stay and do something when he has other plans.

Jeff was selling the injuries, don't twist what i'm saying. There's a difference between kayfabe selling, and actually being exhausted. Jeff isn't all tired out after matches, but he sells it like he is. He's one of the best sellers in the company, and I beg you to find me a match where Jeff has no sold, because it's very rare he does a bad job at selling an opponents offense.

No, Jeff Hardy gets tested weekly. You're basing everything on you knowing more than the company, Jeff has not failed the wellness policy, therefore he is clean as you have nothing to suggest he has touched drugs since his last suspenion. Brian Kendrick was done over a dozen times for pot last year, now tell me, how would Kendrick get busted TWELVE TIMES, if they only got tested four times a year? I rest my case.

No, Orton went to Anger Management. Regal went to rehab because he had a pot smoking problem - it was something he was smoking daily. Morrison was busted twice, and Jeff is on his second strike. You need to stop using the 2002 drug reference, because that was seven years ago, and has nothing to do with Jeffs problems today. That time was for Crystal Meth, and he gave it up a long ass while ago. His 2007/2008 suspensions where for a recreatonal drug, a drug which he took once in 2007 and once in 2008. Taking drugs twice does not make you an addict and nor does it mean you have to go to rehab. His 2008 suspension was for unprescribed pankillers, he took them because he had a nagging back injury. He got over the drug ordeal in the 60 day suspension. Rehab is for people who have a serious addiction, for people who constantly think about drugs, for people who cannot live without the stuff, and I assure you, Jeff Hardy has proven he can live without drugs.

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Advocate

There have been plenty of times over the last two years where me and my buddies sat here and cringed when the guy wrestled. Now that you bring it up, his matches with Jericho were one sided at best. They were not great. They were satisfactory and not something I am excited to see again.



Dave Metzler does not return my phone calls.

It was not the fucking match of the night. Jericho and Mysterio was easily the match of the night. Followed by the US title match. Other than that, most of the matches on the card sucked. And there was nothing more disgusting that seeing Jeff Hardy hold Ric Flair's belt.


It is Jeff Hardy's job to sell moves that are hit on him. That is no anyone else's job. He looked tired, but not beaten up.

That is not building a spot. Fine, if that was the planned finish, fine. It is everything else in the match. Again, WM23, MITB, same move, Edge was done for the match. He played it up afterward as Jeff trying to kill him. This match, it was forgotten about one minute after it happened. It played no role in the match. The match would have been exactly the same without it.

With the exception of WM, the Triple H and Orton matches this year and last have been good. I would put their Last Man Standing and their match from Bash ahead of any match Jeff has had this year. They are overdone and the feud has gone on too long, but they have been good. Cena has had good matches, when he has not been fighting Big Show. His match with Edge at Backlash for instance was better than any match Jeff has had this year. CM Punk has been consistent for the last two years, pulling out good matches from about anyone...including Jeff Hardy.


I am just saying, do not tell him that he is so fucking passionate for the business when he is not. If someone does not want to be there, then fine. But do not make it into something it is not.

Look at his match against Triple H at Armageddon 2007. He was falling asleep within the first five minutes. He was exhausted almost immediately, and there was nothing in the match that would have him do that as part of the story.

the other match, where he has no sold is this ladder match we keep talking about. But it is not just that. It is the fact that if someone works on his leg the whole match, he just jumps up to the top rope with no problem. It is if he gets hit with a big spot, like in the ladder match, he gets up acting like little has happened. Yeah, he may grab his ribs (even when they hit his leg), but a minute later, he forgets about it.


Do not trust everything you read on the dirt sheets...

I am basing this off of the talent wellness policy. The actual words from Vince's mouth.



That is because Orton's problems was his anger. He got angry, because he would get all boozed up at night. The anger management has treatment for that.

Regal went into rehab because of pain killers. That is directly from the horses mouth there.

You are acting like you are next to Jeff Hardy. He took the drugs once? I hardly believe that. It is like me saying that I got busted for having a cocaine in my house, but I only did it once. Only thing, I have been busted a few times. But only did it once each time. Shucks, I have such bad luck!

Advocate

I will admit that I am a traditionalist, but I have no problem with other people who defy the rules like Mysterio or Punk. So I am flexible.

I am sorry, but I tend to believe that if Jeff did not have his two big moves and if he was not will to do stuff from the top of ladders, his fan base would be a small fraction of what it is today.

Tommy Platinum

You are probably right about that, but since when does that mean he doesn't have talent? Jamie Noble is a great wrestler but nobody really cares about him. Hardy is over because of a number of factors, but his daredevil gimmick would probably be at the top. That, and his charisma (not mic skills, charisma). Just because he is over for that reason doesn't mean he doesn't have ability in the ring. He clearly does.

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Kizza

No Tommy, hating Hardy is the new Cena hate. It's kewl to hate Hardy now.

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Roxy

So is that why near enough every single Jeff Hardy match from 2008 was three starts and upwards? His match with Triple H at No mercy got 4 1/4 stars. His match at Armageddon for 4 stars, every single Jeff match this year hasn't got any lower than 3 stars. It just seems like you're in denial now.

Blind hate again. Rey/Jericho was fantastic, but Jeff/Edge stood out more because of the whole story within the ending of the match. The US title match wasn't as good as the ladder match, and get over Jeff winning the belt, he held it for three minutes at best, and lol at you bitching about Jeff holding the belt when wrestlers like Khali have won it, and held it for much longer.

Jeff Hardy sells the moves, and sells them well. He's never had a problem when it came to that.

That was long ago when Edge wasn't as good as he is now, kayfabe speaking here, he's improved and mangaged to get hold of it. Money in the Bank, just a brief case is on the line, in that ladder match Edges World Title was on the line, of course he was going to get up. Do you actually expect them to just spend ages of the match selling a move? Wouldn't that be boring? Yes, yes it would.

Triple H/Orton has been horrible this year. They have zero chemistry, and their feud is stale. The fact that the Last Man Standing match on Raw was better than their Wrestlemania match, the match which closed the show, is pathetic. Punk has been consistant, but only recently after Mania was he given the spotlight. Again, Rey, Punk (after Mania), Edge, Jericho, Jeff, are the main guys who have done well this year, you could throw in Cena, but his series of matches with Show have been awful and it let Cena down; granted that wasn't Cenas fault, he's a fantastic wrestler. Back to my previous point, Jeffs matches this year have all been 3 stars + nothing less than that, so he is consistant.

How do you know Jeff isn't passionate? The fact he puts his body on the line like every other wrestler, the fact he pulls out risky spots alone at house shows to entertaing the crowds indeed shows he's passionate. Just because a certain website claims he might be leaving, does not mean he isn't passionate.

Oh god, exaggerration much? Fuck no he wasn't falling asleep. Stop talking about a match which happened before his improvement, the match was fine, and Jeff was decent in it. He pulled out a nice offense, and the only thing which let it done was Triple H smirking at the end which made Jeffs win look cheap.

Jeff was selling his leg throughout the match. Go watch it again because he was limping around the ring and slowly went onto the top rope. Even climbing the ladder he was limping, Jr was shouting 'One step at a time' because he was selling the pain his leg was in.

This was a report which came out late in 2008, it was correct. Read the actual Wellness Policy if you don't believe me.

Orton still didn't go to a drug rehab. He went to anger management. And Orton has been busted for drugs twice, one after the Wellness Policy, and one before. Twice.

He also had a pot smoking problem, something he also seeked helped for.

I never said he took drugs 'once', I said the time he got suspended he took drugs that one time in 2007, and that one time in 2008. This came from Jeff himself. He stated he took them and the next day they tested and he knew he was going to get caught. You're the one acting like you know Jeff, saying he's leaving, and telling me he isn't clean when you have nothing to back it up with. I've justified what i've said because Jeff Hardy hasn't failed the Wellness Policy for over a year, he has said himself the times he took drugs where a one off thing and like it or not, Jeff Hardy doesn't need rehab because he doesn't have a freaking addiction. But obviously you're just too blind to see this.

I'm going to stop this now, and if you reply don't expect a reply back. This is a waste of my time because quite clearly you think you know more than the WWE, you think Jeff Hardy doesn't have a passion just because he might, MIGHT, be leaving; something which has yet to be proven. Jeff Hardy is a top notch worker, he's clean, he has been a consistant wrestler this past year, and most of last year, but you won't admit it because you're still stuck in the mind-set that Jeff hardy is still like the 2002 guy who took meth, was a spot monkey and didn't give a shit. Maybe if you paid a little more attention to Jeff Hardy, you'd see you're wrong but obviously blind hate gets in the way of that, doesn't it.

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Sparverine

Jeff Hardy v. Randy Orton at the Royal Rumble is a prime example of my point. He dove to the outside when Orton went back into the ring. Personally, I think this Punk-Hardy feud is turning into this generation's Hogan-Warrior feud. Both have their fans, but one has a character you can solidly get behind and the other acts more heelish and wears facepaint. Jeff Hardy's stunt while making the feud develop was more of a heelish move than anything Punk's done. If WWE were to swerve the audience and turn Hardy heel, I wouldn't be surprised.

Tommy Platinum

What?

How the hell has Hardy been more heelish than Punk? Punk has clearly feigned injury and got himself intentionally DQ'd to retain the title, and this is after he basically stole the title at the PPV before. All Hardy did was something which often happens in WWE: The face giving the heel a taste of their own medicine.

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Kizza

Rofl. So Jeff getting revenge on Punk cheating was more heelish then Punk getting himself DQed on purpose? Yeah, make sense. I heard so many boos when Punk was getting attacked.

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