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Old 06-18-2009, 06:25 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Re: Did The Attitude Era ruin Wrestling?

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But.... Austin did have a moveset, c+p from wiki:
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        , usually preceded with a kick to the opponent's midsection)

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        to an opponent draped over the second rope

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      • Mudhole Stomp (
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        , sometimes from the
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        to the opponent's groin

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Looks like moveset to me...
Haha!You call this a move-set?LMAO!3/4 superstars use most of the moves you copied from Wiki up there,so i don't think there is any originality in that,So the guy really does have no move-set.
Ok Back to the topic,Before the attitude Era when we saw feuds we even saw them continue for Months and even Years.We saw Hulk Hogan vs Rowdy Piper for almost about a year.Rivalries between superstars went upto like 6 months and almost all their matches had the same stipulation.
When the attitude Era came along it did not go that way.There were more promos than wrestling.We saw the contenders rip each other apart more on the mic and less in the ring.We saw less wrestling and saw more Steel chairs and tables.So nobody cared about the wrestling,they just wanted the segments & the weapons.We no longer saw long rivalries withe exception of The Rock vs Mankind & Stone Cold vs Mcmahon.The Austin-Mcmahon rivalry was nothing but Segments and promos and later on came the actual matches.
Rivalries changed from Month to Month,Title changed from week to week.I'll give you an example,In the attitude Era The Rock never held the title longer than 50 days whereas before the Attitude Era Hulk Hogan held the title for 4 years even though both are considered the Greatest.
So now that the Era is over rivalries are back to that 3 or 4 moth period and everybody is complaining.Randy Orton vs Triple has been going on since 2008 and everybody is complaining.So if the attitude Era did not ruin 'WRESTLING' then i think you are smoking pot or something.
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Old 06-18-2009, 06:30 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Re: Did The Attitude Era ruin Wrestling?

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Haha!You call this a move-set?LMAO!3/4 superstars use most of the moves you copied from Wiki up there,so i don't think there is any originality in that,So the guy really does have no move-set.
What is wrong with that moveset? Makes sense to me. It would hardly make sense for him to be doing 450 splashes, would it?

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So if the attitude Era did not ruin 'WRESTLING' then i think you are smoking pot or something.
Judging by your poor literacy and incoherence I would say it's the other way around.

The Attitude Era had awful booking, yes, but to say it "ruined wrestling" is laughable. For example, 2000, 2001, 2001 and 2004 all came after the attitude era had finished, and from an in-ring perspective they were better years for the WWE than most of years before the Attitude Era.
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Old 06-18-2009, 07:41 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Re: Did The Attitude Era ruin Wrestling?

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Haha!You call this a move-set?LMAO!3/4 superstars use most of the moves you copied from Wiki up there,so i don't think there is any originality in that,So the guy really does have no move-set.
Ok Back to the topic,Before the attitude Era when we saw feuds we even saw them continue for Months and even Years.We saw Hulk Hogan vs Rowdy Piper for almost about a year.Rivalries between superstars went upto like 6 months and almost all their matches had the same stipulation.
When the attitude Era came along it did not go that way.There were more promos than wrestling.We saw the contenders rip each other apart more on the mic and less in the ring.We saw less wrestling and saw more Steel chairs and tables.So nobody cared about the wrestling,they just wanted the segments & the weapons.We no longer saw long rivalries withe exception of The Rock vs Mankind & Stone Cold vs Mcmahon.The Austin-Mcmahon rivalry was nothing but Segments and promos and later on came the actual matches.
Rivalries changed from Month to Month,Title changed from week to week.I'll give you an example,In the attitude Era The Rock never held the title longer than 50 days whereas before the Attitude Era Hulk Hogan held the title for 4 years even though both are considered the Greatest.
So now that the Era is over rivalries are back to that 3 or 4 moth period and everybody is complaining.Randy Orton vs Triple has been going on since 2008 and everybody is complaining.So if the attitude Era did not ruin 'WRESTLING' then i think you are smoking pot or something.
I do love how you're completely ignoring my responses.
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Once again, let me use some facts. You could not have long (Non-stop) feuds in the Attitude Era. The main reason being that there were no longer any squash shows. If you actually bothered reading my past posts, you would see that was because of WCW before the Attitude Era began. In the 80's, you could have Hogan as World Champion for four years because fans rarely saw him. He wasn't wrestling on every show. The only time you saw Hogan wrestle was on SNME, PPV's or at house shows which only fans there or in that area could watch. You weren't going to see Hogan wrestle every week on the Wrestling Challenge or Superstars of Wrestling. The less you see of someone, the longer it takes to get sick of them. This is something the WWE had zero control over because another company changed the business as a whole. Since the fans were so used to the style of having PPV-like shows every week, Vince couldn't change things back how they used to be once WCW folded.

I'm hardly an Attitude Era fan, but you're blaming it for things it had nothing to do with.
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Old 06-18-2009, 10:49 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Re: Did The Attitude Era ruin Wrestling?

Sports-entertainment ruined wrestling.

But that was a good thing. The business needed to evolve, needed to grow, and it meant making changes. 20-30 minute hold-for-hold had to be replaced by shorter matches with higher flying wrestlers, more flamboyant characters or dominant big men, in order to add variety to what was becoming stale. Generic wrestler A vs. Generic wrestler B had to give way to Roddy Piper vs Hulk Hogan, which had to give way to Rocky vs. Austin. Gerry Briscoe had to give way to Macho Man Randy Savage, who in turn gave way to Rey Misterio Jr. Gorilla Monsoon, had to give way to Bam Bam Bigelow, who had to give way to Umaga. Gorgeous George to Ric Flair to Shawn Michaels.

The Attitude era was just an evolution from the Rock and Wrestling era. True, the Attitude era saw wrestling's biggest boom yet, but that was only comparable to the Rock and Wrestling era which previously was wrestling's biggest boom period. As someone said earlier there are changes and cycles in pro wrestling, and the fact that the WWE or wrestling isn't as "hot" as it once was isn't because one era spoiled the other, it's just trying to figure itself out. Trying to figure what steps need to be made in order to have another boom period, what stars need to be made in order ignite that boom period.

Guys like Shelton Benjamin who I also feel should be higher on the card and given more of a chance to run with the ball because of his mat talents, will be held back because 'wrestling' is not the barometer which today's athletes are judged, only a small part of it.

Now it's all about guys who are the total package: have ring presence, can work the mic, can sell a t-shirt or thousand, and make for entertaining storylines.

That's not because one era spoiled another, it's the business is doing what it must to survive.
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Re: Did The Attitude Era ruin Wrestling?

The 70's had plenty of wrestlers who did high flying and personality...


Useless wrestlers were pushed in the past for various reasons, just like they are today. Nothing has fundementally changed in the wrestling industry, just that McMahon-ism has exemplified the industries problems.
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Old 06-18-2009, 12:00 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Useless wrestlers were pushed in the past for various reasons, just like they are today. Nothing has fundementally changed in the wrestling industry, just that McMahon-ism has exemplified the industries problems.

that's true, but what I was getting at was how those same wrestlers and those types changed with the times.
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Haha!You call this a move-set?LMAO!3/4 superstars use most of the moves you copied from Wiki up there,so i don't think there is any originality in that,So the guy really does have no move-set.
Ok Back to the topic,Before the attitude Era when we saw feuds we even saw them continue for Months and even Years.We saw Hulk Hogan vs Rowdy Piper for almost about a year.Rivalries between superstars went upto like 6 months and almost all their matches had the same stipulation.
When the attitude Era came along it did not go that way.There were more promos than wrestling.We saw the contenders rip each other apart more on the mic and less in the ring.We saw less wrestling and saw more Steel chairs and tables.So nobody cared about the wrestling,they just wanted the segments & the weapons.We no longer saw long rivalries withe exception of The Rock vs Mankind & Stone Cold vs Mcmahon.The Austin-Mcmahon rivalry was nothing but Segments and promos and later on came the actual matches.
Rivalries changed from Month to Month,Title changed from week to week.I'll give you an example,In the attitude Era The Rock never held the title longer than 50 days whereas before the Attitude Era Hulk Hogan held the title for 4 years even though both are considered the Greatest.
So now that the Era is over rivalries are back to that 3 or 4 moth period and everybody is complaining.Randy Orton vs Triple has been going on since 2008 and everybody is complaining.So if the attitude Era did not ruin 'WRESTLING' then i think you are smoking pot or something.
We might need to change your name to "The Incoherent Guy". Seriously, space properly. Its not that tough.

Yeah, the Attitude era featured some short reigns. For pretty good reasons. But that changed through the early and middle part of this decade and its only been in recent years that they've gone to quick title changes again, so you can hardly blame the Attitude era for that.

And there's a whole series of reasons that people are complaining about Orton-Triple H and it has nothing to do with hating long feuds. It could be that we've had this feud repeatedly in the past few years. Or that they don't produce good matches. Or that the same person keeps coming out on top.
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Re: Did The Attitude Era ruin Wrestling?

Yeah, the hate Trips/Orton gets has nothing to do with the length of the fued, and more to do with the fact it's not doing anything interesting and hasn't been since it began. Orton continues to look weaker and less able that Triple H and new stars are not created as a result.

Last years best fued was HBK/Jericho and that was built from around Wrestlmania/Backlash time and lasted the majority of the year. It made both men look fantastic and is almost universally loved.
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