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Old 04-30-2009, 07:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What defeats a great match?

Basically, what kills a good match?
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Old 04-30-2009, 07:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: What defeats a great match?

Limbwork being no sold and dead crowds.... hmmm why did I think of those first...
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Old 04-30-2009, 11:19 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: What defeats a great match?

So what you're saying Steve is that the Backlash I Quit was a great match, ruined only by those two points? :-P

A bad finish.

I hate it when you see a match that has some great wrestling and such, and then ends on a shitty roll-up or with a run-in. Bad finishes suck.
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Re: What defeats a great match?

Ending a match with no clear winner isn't necessarily bad. I've seen some classics that ended in run-ins, draws, or skin-of-the-teeth wins. As long as the ending is appropriate for the story of the match, it's totally acceptable.

One thing that brings down a good match for me is a dead crowd. A crowd can turn a good match into a great match, or a good match into a stinker.
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Re: What defeats a great match?

I'm pretty sure by "bad finish" he meant when the match has a finish like that which doesn't make sense. I would go along with that. The finish is so important to any match and even if you have really enjoyed the match up until that point, a bad finish just leaves a bad taste and makes you dislike the match.

An example would be Triple H vs Jeff at No Mercy. The match itself wasn't really that bad at all, but when Triple H managed to counter Jeff with a pin after Jeff had JUST hit his two biggest moves, all I could think was..."this is bullshit".

Sorry to use another Triple H-related example. I must seem like the definition of a hater at this stage lol.

Obviously a bad botch can really fuck things up too.

*thinks of a Triple H example*.

Damn, he doesn't fuck up. That's probably the one thing he still has going for him.
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Re: What defeats a great match?

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Ending a match with no clear winner isn't necessarily bad. I've seen some classics that ended in run-ins, draws, or skin-of-the-teeth wins. As long as the ending is appropriate for the story of the match, it's totally acceptable.
Totally. Like Tommy said, I meant that it ruins it when it makes no sense. TNA are fantastic at doing this several times on one card.

I'm starting to make a habit out not explaining myself very well these days. I seem to assume that people just know what I'm talking about... I should stop doing that.
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Re: What defeats a great match?

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Totally. Like Tommy said, I meant that it ruins it when it makes no sense. TNA are fantastic at doing this several times on one card.

I'm starting to make a habit out not explaining myself very well these days. I seem to assume that people just know what I'm talking about... I should stop doing that.
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I'm doing a good job of doing your talking for you. That's a few threads now where I'VE explained what you meant.

I need to stfu. lol
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Re: What defeats a great match?

I agree with a lot of people, the crowd do a lot to influence a match. Rock V Hogan for example would of been a decent match but the crowd turned it into a legendary match.
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Indeed you are. So don't you dare shut up, or I'm gonna be fucked. Haha!!

The Hogan/Rock example is certainly a great example of a match that benefitted from the atmosphere.
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Re: What defeats a great match?

Obviously there is the oft-used Cena/Triple H example too.
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