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- Sid Vicious: One of the worst wrestlers to ever make it to the top. I'm still trying to figure out why he ever became a four time world champion. Two time WWE and two time WCW. Well I guess the WCW ones because it was near the end so nothing in WCW near the end made sense nor was it any good at all. But Sid is really one of the biggest fuck ups in wrestling history. One of the biggest egos too. He says that he outdrew people like Bret, Undertaker . Hogan, Rock, Stone Cold and HBK. Yeah fuckin' right.
He was over...extremely over anywhere he went.
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When I say that, I'm not talking about anything having to do with being over. I mean like, he was such a fuck up. It's like, when I say, I'm trying to figure out why Yokozuna was a two time champion, I'm not really talking about anything having to do with being over. Because personally, I never really look at whether or not someone was/is over because I don't care care about that whole over thing. I look at the wrestler, his skills and my personal preference.
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When I say that, I'm not talking about anything having to do with being over. I mean like, he was such a fuck up. It's like, when I say, I'm trying to figure out why Yokozuna was a two time champion, I'm not really talking about anything having to do with being over. Because personally, I never really look at whether or not someone was/is over because I don't care care about that whole over thing. I look at the wrestler, his skills and my personal preference.
I understand that approach. But its basically ignoring the entire fact that wrestling is a business. And its a business based on selling performers to the fans. So of course promotions are going to favor the workers who are popular with the fans.
Being a champion in any promotion isn't just about being a great worker. You have to be able to put on watchable matches (in theory, at least), but the fans have to care. Otherwise you are a champion who doesn't make money and you are hurting the company. The history of any world title has guys who won it moreso because they were popular than because they could do great things in the ring.
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I understand that approach. But its basically ignoring the entire fact that wrestling is a business. And its a business based on selling performers to the fans. So of course promotions are going to favor the workers who are popular with the fans.
Being a champion in any promotion isn't just about being a great worker. You have to be able to put on watchable matches (in theory, at least), but the fans have to care. Otherwise you are a champion who doesn't make money and you are hurting the company. The history of any world title has guys who won it moreso because they were popular than because they could do great things in the ring.
Yeah, very true. You make a good point. I guess something I should have added to my post was the whole being over aspect really never pops into my head. I look at other stuff first and I rarely even think about the whole over thing. It just never occurs to me really.
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Yeah, very true. You make a good point. I guess something I should have added to my post was the whole being over aspect really never pops into my head. I look at other stuff first and I rarely even think about the whole over thing. It just never occurs to me really.
Its something I have to remind myself of every so often. Or get reminded.
Easy example - leading up to his injury, I was getting down on Batista. The guy just doesn't seem to put the effort in sometimes. He has the "look" but I sometimes question what else he offers. I was at the Raw where he returned after Wrestle Mania and the crowd reaction was monstrous. Bigger than anything at WM, I think (though its kinda tough to tell live, sometimes). And that makes me remember that when it comes to the big leagues of pro wrestling, look matters. A whole lot. As long as Batista gets a huge crowd reaction like that when he comes out, the WWE would be stupid to bury him. Regardless of his work rate.
That said, I don't think Sid was terrible. Inconsistent, but I don't think his "best" was any worse than some of the other big men of a similar era. Was Nash really a better worker? Going by memory, Sid's work was better than Disel's.
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When I say that, I'm not talking about anything having to do with being over. I mean like, he was such a fuck up. It's like, when I say, I'm trying to figure out why Yokozuna was a two time champion, I'm not really talking about anything having to do with being over. Because personally, I never really look at whether or not someone was/is over because I don't care care about that whole over thing. I look at the wrestler, his skills and my personal preference.
It's all about marketing, overness and yes, some skill. For example, Yokozuna was fairly good for a guy his size. Even at his heaviest, he was good enough to make his matches 'Watchable'. As for Sid, I wouldn't say he was terrible. Yeah, he wasn't the greatest and at times he put on real disasters, but he was at least capable following the lead of a better worker. Sid had a damn good match with Shawn Michaels at Survivor Series 1996. He followed that up with a good match against Bret Hart at In Your House: It's Time. There's no way the matches could have been as good as they were if it wasn't for the fact that Sid had some talent. If I had to speculate, Sid's biggest problem was motivation. There were a lot of times in which he didn't put forth all of his effort in producing a good match. Due to the fact he was fed so many horrible wrestlers, whenever Sid was given someone talented, Sid upped his game in trying to keeping the other guy's average for match quality.
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