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Old 04-21-2009, 02:46 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Do botch finishes end up telling a better story?

Now before you guys end up ripping my head open, listen. I fully believe this happens sometimes and that a particular botch in a match could end up telling way more of a story than if the wrestler hadn't botched it. For instance, there was a match between Strong and Joe that had happened three years ago at Glory by honor in which Strong was having trouble with hitting the Tiger Driver on Joe and just ended up hitting him with a butterfly suplex. I fully believe that this botch ended up telling a way better story than if he did hit it because it gave credibility to the move and showed how much Joe feared the move instead of having Joe kicking out of the move that killed his ass at Gut Check.

One botch that I think that can be turned into a great example of story telling is a damn near classic match in which I got to witness in Davey/KENTA II where the finish was supposed to be a Inverted GO-2-Sleep but ended up having to be a original one. I think a inverted GTS would of been awesome but I think the botch told one big story and could be even told more by the post match happenings. KENTA trying to kill his former protege with such a DANGEROUS fucking move but letting his emotion get the best of him and Davey respecting this. What I mean by Richards respecting this is because he actually followed with the code of honor and even treated KENTA with a higher respect than he has in awhile due to the fact KENTA could of murdered his ass but chose not too due to the partner ship they had. I think that would make KENTA/Richards II fucking perfect.

Point behind me ramble is that I believe a fuck up could end up telling something better than a perfected move. Anyone else feel the same or have any matches where they feel the match was elevated because of it?
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Old 04-21-2009, 04:27 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Do botch finishes end up telling a better story?

Can't think of any specific examples of a botched FINISH right now, but I agree with you that it can definitely happen, because I've seen botches in matches which help them. I don't know if this counts, but at King of the Ring 2001, the fact that the glass didn't break first time when Angle was suplexing Shane through it certainly improved the match, as well as damn near killing Shane.

Obviously botching the finish can ruin a match, but it depends on the botch, the way its improvised and what the finish was in the first place. It can go either way imo.
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Old 04-21-2009, 08:11 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Do botch finishes end up telling a better story?

Nah, I usually think they come off looking pretty bad and just make the guy who botched look bad. The most famous one would be the botched Tiger Driver finish to the famour Misawa/Kawada '94 match, it came off alright because they played it up as the intended finish, as if Misawa meant to drop Kawada on his head, but I still think it looks really awkward.

Find it hard to get behind a guy who can't hit his moves properly.
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Old 04-21-2009, 10:58 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Do botch finishes end up telling a better story?

I liked the otched ending to the Royal Rumble a few years ago, when both guys were eliminated at the same time, and then they restarted it. Mainly, I only like it because it was really funny watching Vince completely destroy his legs sliding into the ring.
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Re: Do botch finishes end up telling a better story?

That was clearly a work, actually. Vince falling over wasn't, that was pretty funny.
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Old 04-21-2009, 12:03 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Do botch finishes end up telling a better story?

The only botched finish I can think of was when Owen Hart piledrove Stone Cold Steve Austin in their IC title match, which wasn't good for Austin, the roll up was lousy.
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Re: Do botch finishes end up telling a better story?

I can't remember where, but I definitely remember reading somewhere that it was a botched finish. Who knows? Maybe it was!
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Re: Do botch finishes end up telling a better story?

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I can't remember where, but I definitely remember reading somewhere that it was a botched finish. Who knows? Maybe it was!
No, it's a work. The only "Botch" was that they were running long so the final segment of Batista vs Cena was cut short.

As for botches, sometimes they may end up being good, but most of the time it's a heat killer. As memorable as Lesnar's Shooting Star Press botch was, it killed all the momentum of the match.
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Re: Do botch finishes end up telling a better story?

I was just about to mention the shooting star press. Pretty sure that was going to end the match, or it should have. It would've been even bigger if he hit that and didn't have to finish Angle off with another F5.
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Re: Do botch finishes end up telling a better story?

I read when D-Lo attempted a running powerbomb on Droz It wasn't executed properly when Droz landed his head after the powerbomb, resulted in fractured disks in his neck, leaving him a paraplegic.

About Owen Hart piledriving Stone Cold, it was an ugly one. He didn't have any strength to stand up on his own. And like John Smith said, the roll-up pin from Austin was a bad finish to give Stone Cold the IC Championship. If the injury never happened, Stone Cold would be wrestling right now.
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