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Can't think of any specific examples of a botched FINISH right now.
Meant to put just botches in the title but a botch in it's own right I guess.
I don't agree with what Steve said at all with it being hard to get behind a wrestler that can't hit his move correctly. It depends on how it is done really.....one of the main spots I can remember in Nigel vs. Dragon at Unified was that one spot is where he didn't complete that Rebound Lariat perfectly but it added so much drama to me that it felt needed when in real, Dragon was probably standing there for a good second. Did it matter? Not really because it just flowed it beyond perfectly and made the whole thing work despite it not being done absolutely perfect. I actually think if they had done it perfect that it would have not had been as epic.
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Re: Do botch finishes end up telling a better story?
I thought it came off weel in the Unified match just because Nigel was the underdog and him fucking up looked like it was just selling as much as anything.
Off the top of my head, the famous Sasuke/Liger match with the botched finish. Liger did well to heel it up and cover Sasuke's botch, but I when Sasuke won I really didn't care.
Being able to hit your moves without fucking up is part of being a good wrestler.
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Re: Do botch finishes end up telling a better story?
Well in the cases like that than I'm positive that doesn't help the story at all. The botch in the match is the whole reason I don't want to see it. Sometimes some fuck ups just absolutely kill the match.
Re: Do botch finishes end up telling a better story?
I'd say HBK/Taker at 'Mania 25 is a good example of botches helping the match.
I can honestly say that before they both nearly killed themselves outside the ring with a moonsault and a suicide dive respectively I'd lost interest. It just didn't flow at all and felt all over the show to me. But as soon as HBK landed awkward on his wrist, and Taker took the bump onto the back of his neck I was totally and utterly involved. The fact that they had legit almost killed themselves for a match had my attention, and the countout while Taker was recovering had me in utter disbelief that the streak would end on a countout. I marked like a little girl when he got in the ring. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 20 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
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I'd say HBK/Taker at 'Mania 25 is a good example of botches helping the match.
I can honestly say that before they both nearly killed themselves outside the ring with a moonsault and a suicide dive respectively I'd lost interest. It just didn't flow at all and felt all over the show to me. But as soon as HBK landed awkward on his wrist, and Taker took the bump onto the back of his neck I was totally and utterly involved. The fact that they had legit almost killed themselves for a match had my attention, and the countout while Taker was recovering had me in utter disbelief that the streak would end on a countout. I marked like a little girl when he got in the ring. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 20 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
I dunno I thought there were a couple of great sequences before that spot, most notably the one that ended with HBK caught in the Hell's Gate. I get what you mean about the botch (singular) helping the match, but there is no way HBK's moonsault spot was a botch. He was supposed to crash and burn. Taker pushed him out of the way.
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Re: Do botch finishes end up telling a better story?
That's not what I saw. I saw HBK doing a cartwheel in mid-air because he launched himself wrong at Taker. I still maintain that HBK would not take that risky a bump with his back. If he'd landed wrong it would've been curtains for him being able to walk.
If I could find somewhere to download single matches rather than full PPV's I'd rewatch it though, cos I'm still unconvinced by all the five star talk (even though it's a very good match). Plus I need to see the Batista/Punk match from GAB '08 again to continue proving Ken he's wrong. Haha!!
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Re: Do botch finishes end up telling a better story?
HBK is insane and takes countless risks that he shouldn't. Surely Taker would try to break his fall if that was the case? Taker clearly sidestepped him because he was supposed to miss.
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Re: Do botch finishes end up telling a better story?
Like I said Tommy, that's not how I saw it. However, I had become bored with the match by that point and may have taken my eyes off the screen, but even the replays to me looked like HBK jumped early and Taker wasn't ready.
But again, if I can find it without downloading the whole show again I'll certainly be willing to change my opinion, if I'm wrong. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 20 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Anyway, let's not totally derail the thread with HBK/Taker talk. I'm sure there are countless other wrestling botches we can amuse ourselves with. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 20 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
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