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Old 04-01-2009, 02:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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11. Thoughts on (April Fools, bitches)...

- John Cena's wrestling ability

- Eddie Kingston

- Blading

- Taz

- WWE 2008

- Best year ever for wrestling?

- Personal fued-ender or big title match?

- Randy Orton

- Terry Funk in ECW

- Essa Rios
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Old 04-01-2009, 02:44 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: 11. Thoughts on (April Fools, bitches)...

John Cena's wrestling ability

Pretty great. So consistant on PPV and one of the most reliable guys in a big match. The epic crowd reaction he draws helps a lot, and I think his technical ability is underrated too. Since when has wrestling been about how many MOVES~! you can pull off? Cena knows what makes a match entertaining.

Blading
Should always have a place in wrestling, but like most things, if you do it too often, it loses all meaning. Blood can add realism and drama to a match when used in the right situation on specific occasions. As for the safety of it, I wouldn't like to do it myself, and if wrestlers don't want to, then their wishes should be respected, but I hear they get extra pay for it. Sounds pretty barbaric when you think about what it actually is though. Guys cutting their head open for our entertainment.

Taz
He was a great wrestler in ECW and a very good color commentator in WWE. I'll miss him.

WWE 2008
Typical of the WWE nowadays. Started out really good, with a very enjoyable Royal Rumble and Wrestlemania, but then in the summer most of it was pretty poor, and towards the end of the year it became awful. There were some saving graces such as the Jericho/HBK angle, but in general the standard wasn't great and I hated Triple H's reign, and the fact that nobody benefitted from it. The ridiculous amount of quick title changes towards the end of the year was pretty gay too.

Best year ever for wrestling?
2000 is the best I have seen and had a great mix of wrestling and 'sports entertainment', although I didn't watch WCW, only the E.

Personal fued-ender or big title match?
Obviously both can be great, but I have always been a mark for great personal feuds and enjoy the feud ender more than the epic first encounter more often than not, especially nowadays when most feuds have been done before anyway.

Randy Orton

He's not a great wrestler, but he works well with what he has and produces good matches more often than not. He's not the sort of wrestler who is going to be saving PPVs with epic performances though. His strength is in his character and his mic skills which have improved so much over the last year or so.

Essa Rios
Lol I remember him from when I first started watching WWF, when he was with Lita. Fairly entertaining but I have limited knowledge of his other work.
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Re: 11. Thoughts on (April Fools, bitches)...

- John Cena's wrestling ability
A little bit too goofy and charicature-ish, but generally it's pretty great. Knows how to sell his ass of and bump like a madman. Facial expressions are really damn good when he's not being goofy (same for his moveset). Knows how to work a match better than 90% of other wrestlers today.

- Eddie Kingston
Probably the best promo-guy on the indy circuit today. Love his personality and his intensity though I hate his puro-wannabe nerd moveset. If he cut that shit out he's easily be one of the best indy wrestlers around.

- Blading
Can't think of any other employment where part of your job is to cut yourself at your boss's whim. If the wrestler is up for it, great, blood can obviously add a whole tonne of drama to a match. Shouldn't be expected from everyone though.

- Taz
Good wrestler with a great character and was pushed excellently.

- WWE 2008
A few highlights here and there could not make up for the huge amount of mediocrity.

- Best year ever for wrestling?
Overall, I think I've seen more great stuff come out of 1989 than any other year. 2005 was also great for everyone except the WWE. WWE's best year is undoubtably 2000.

- Personal fued-ender or big title match?
I tend to prefer the latter.

- Randy Orton
Good charatcer, nice intensity, good mic skills (if a bit slow at times). Wrestling varies from great to mediocre depending on how much time he decides to fill with restholds, though given the right opponent (e.g. Cena) he can produce some great stuff.

- Terry Funk in ECW
I enjoyed the insanity and whackiness, not much else. The ONS tag was pretty great though. It did SO MUCH for both him and the company though.

- Essa Rios
I enjoyed him though it was a bit of a shame Lita was pushed harder and more over than him.
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Re: 11. Thoughts on (April Fools, bitches)...

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- John Cena's wrestling ability

- Eddie Kingston

- Blading

- Taz

- WWE 2008

- Best year ever for wrestling?

- Personal fued-ender or big title match?

- Randy Orton

- Terry Funk in ECW

- Essa Rios
cenas wrestling ability - Dont know what hes like technically cause hes still doing his same 5 moves for the kiddies.

WWE 2008 - Worse year for WWE to date. Worse than 07, 09 has raped the start of 08 imo.

Taz - Shame his WWE wrestling carear was shortlived. He never got over which is a shame for saying how loud his pop was on his debut at RR 2000.

Best year for wrestling? - Tough. For wcw, no doubt 97. For WWF 2000, again no question.

But overall must be 98, as WWF and WCW combined, was intense. Rise of austin, ruse of goldburg, wolfpac, nwo getting stale. Rise of steiner and his heel persona. Great year.

Randy orton - Prize player in the WWE. Great look, great mic skills, great worker. Total package for a WWE superstar.
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Re: 11. Thoughts on (April Fools, bitches)...

- John Cena's wrestling ability
It still looks the same as it always was. Long time wrestling fans won't like it, but young wrestling fans and their parents accepts it.

- Blading
It makes We won't see that again in the WWE due to the PG rating.

- Taz

Dig the theme, the titantron, and his wrestling skills. It sucks that his wrestling career ended and stuck with commentary.
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- WWE 2008
Ric Flair's retirement segment on Monday Night RAW. John Cena's return at the Royal Rumble 2008 was unpredictable and didn't go well with his win there and his return at Survivor Series to win the title sucked as well, beating out Jericho. Jeff Hardy winning his first WWE title was great and the Joker-like facepaint's badass. That's all I can remember from WWE 2008.
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- Best year ever for wrestling?
1997. D-Generation X was formed to compete with WCW's New World Order. Stone Cold's on the rise, finally striking gold with winning his first Tag Team Championship with HBK winning two Intercontinential championships and winning his first out of his three Royal Rumbles. Plus, the Austin/McMahon feud began. Sting returns with the Crow gimmick, taking on Hogan at Starrcade, winning the WCW championship. And of course, the Montreal Screwjob.
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- Randy Orton
He plays the heel card perfectally. He's one of the few WWE superstars that can main event huge PPVs pretty well. He puts on great promos, especially with the build-up going into WrestleMania. He's here to stay.
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Re: 11. Thoughts on (April Fools, bitches)...

- John Cena's wrestling ability

The epitome of the contemporary WWE. He seems like a pretty decent wrestler who is capable of more than the pretty basic stuff he does match after match. But that works - it entertains. The fans love him or hate him, but its a genuine reaction. And while can put together a big match and rise to the occasion, it seems like it follows the same formula far too often. Probably as close as we'll see to a new version of Hulk Hogan.

- Blading

When the situation calls for it, blood can definitely add to a match. But blood for the sake of blood makes it kinda meaningless, as others have said.

- Taz

Never had too much of an opinion on him as a worker, but gradually grew to like him as an announcer.

- WWE 2008

The year I started watching wrestling again after a number of years, and I'm still not really sure why. There was nothing that the WWE showed in me in 2008 that seemed fresh, new, or really that exciting.

- Best year ever for wrestling?

1997. As a fan, you had the Monday Night War still going monstrously, you had Goldberg, you had the Hart-Austin match at WM, D-X, the Michaels-Undertaker Hell in the Cell match, the Montreal incident... plus ECW if you were really in the know...

- Personal fued-ender or big title match?


Personal feud ender. Looking back through some of the biggest matches and can recall, and most revolved around some big feud. Not necessarily a storyline, but just a feud of some type. If that feud incomporates a title, it adds even more. But its the feud that really makes a match memorable, I think.

- Randy Orton

Like Cena, I don't think we see all he's capable of very often, though for a different reason. He's clearly a very good heel. I'm really interested to see how he's able to get on as a true cornerstone when guys like Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, and maybe even Triple H are gone.

- Terry Funk in ECW

Always cool to see a legend still get a pop.
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- John Cena's wrestling ability
Cena has always been underrated by some. Especially at the height of the Cena hate, people's comments that his wrestling skills were terrible is a bogus claim. John has shown on several occasions that he can put on a MOTYC even in unlikely matches. That being said, you can really tell when Cena puts in effort and when he just phones it in. While the five moves of doom works for some, we all know that Cena is capable of far greater than that. While the booking was the main reason why the fans turned on Cena, it wouldn't have been as bad as it was if he was still putting on great matches. The fans aren't stupid. If they can tell when you're not as good as you should be, they won't like it. These days, Cena is one of the least consistent talented wrestlers the WWE has. He can put on the match of the night or a completely forgettable bout.

- Blading
Blading adds a certain level of realism to wrestling. If you're in a violent fight in real life, there's a good chance there will be blood. That being said, the WWE really went over board with the amount of blade jobs starting in the late nineties. When you're seeing blade jobs a few times a week, it loses all meaning. One of the most iconic crimson faces ever for me was King Kong Bundy at Wrestlemania 2. Bundy with the bright red blood covering his face was so memorable that he's had several wrestling figures made with that look. Now, why was it so memorable? It's because we didn't see it on every damn show. For a more modern example, look at Steve Austin at Wrestlemania 13. The other problem that the WWE was having was that the blading happened for smaller and smaller things. Those events just made wrestling look even more scripted. Vince McMahon at Survivor Series 2003 is a good example of that. I'm perfectly fine with the WWE no longer using blood often. One or two blade jobs a year is more than enough.

- Taz
Taz was in his final run as ECW Champion when I first started getting into ECW. The guy was incredibly talented when it came to suplexes. However, it was hard to take him as an extreme threat to anyone seeing how he was only being booked against nobodies like Tajiri and Rhino in short matches. Meanwhile, you had RVD tearing up arenas with great matches against Jerry Lynn. His WWE run as a wrestler was pretty lack luster. I do wonder how he would of fair had Saturn not injured him early on in 2000. Before the injury, he was being booked against the like of Kurt Angle and The Rock. While it was hardly great, I really enjoyed his WWE tag team title reign with Spike Dudley.

- WWE 2008
Yet another year where my interest continued to decline in mainstream wrestling. Almost everything the 'E did, I didn't care about. People who didn't deserve to be pushed got pushed, talented men were held back, the same shit happened day in and day out, every title was treated as a joke and whenever something that did interest me occurred, they managed to fuck it up very quickly. Outside of a few things, a completely forgettable and poor year. Probably my least favorite year of the decade.

- Best year ever for wrestling?
1989. No other year comes close for me. As far as the modern era is concerned (1980/1984-Present day), I view no other year coming close to the quality that 1989 delivered. So many years since then put on quality, but rarely did both major mainstream companies produce similar greatness. For the WWE, you had a fantastic tag team division, the IC title being traded back and forth being Rude and Warrior and everyone just trying to put up as good of a product as possible. The WWE had such an incredible roster. Meanwhile in WCW, you had Ric fuckin' Flair at his best. Great technical bouts with Steamboat in the first half of the year, then the hardcore brawls with Terry Funk for the second half. Flair was given four 5 Star matches in 1989 alone. Not only that, but you also had the best PPV of all time with Great American Bash. Wrestling peaked in 1989. As soon as 1990 began, it went downhill quickly. It may of rose up and down in later years, but the quality never got as high as it once was in that great year.

- Personal fued-ender or big title match?
Personal feud enders easily. You can have a great personal feud without a title. However, how many great title matches wasn't about a major feud? A great feud makes a really good title match great.

- Randy Orton
So much potential early on in his career. I really enjoyed him up until 2005 or so. Starting with post Wrestlemania 22, Orton hasn't interested me in the slightest. There's a lot of wrestlers who I feel is overrated, but I at least understand why people like them. For Orton, I can't understand at all why people like him these days. He's decent in the ring. He's never been particularly good on the mic. He's only decreased in quality over the years. I suppose it's similar to the fans who believe Triple H is one of the greatest of all time while I think he's at best, average and only has the booking of someone who's the best. I will say it's a shame that Trips keeps fucking him over.

- Essa Rios
I always loved Essa. Whether he was Papi Chulo, Aguila, Essa Rios or Mr. Aguila. The two biggest flaws Essa had was his lack of size and not knowing English. To make it in America, you need one, if not both. Pretty much the WWE's version of Juvi. The only difference is that Essa never really got a good push. I would of loved to be able to see what Paul Heyman could of did with Rios had he had him full time.
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Re: 11. Thoughts on (April Fools, bitches)...

John Cena's wrestling ability

I think he is better than what a lot of people make him out to be. A solid performer without being amazing

Blading
As said before i wouldnt fancy it myself and too much deminishes the effect. Anytime you see a close up of Triple H you would see an unbelievable amount of scars from it but the occasional use makes the effect better.

Taz
Only know him from his time at WWE. I found a massive dislike for him when he was doing that tough enough programme. Not a bad commentator.

WWE 2008
Liked the HHH-Orton fued although on its merits the current one is better. HBK and Y2J was brilliant. Not enough mid card fueds that got me really interested

Best year ever for wrestling?
2000. The 1st 6 months were amazing. I usually forget matches and fueds a few months later but i couldnt forget the first 6 months of 2000 and then the Main Event emergence of Kurt Angle in the second 6 months. The tag team division was brilliant as well.

Personal fued-ender or big title match?
I like a good fued that gets personal

Randy Orton

He's sick and twisted and i like him. He has a lot of shoulder injuries so i say enjoy him while we can. Brilliant actor.

Essa Rios

i was only thinking about him the other day, He had his moments
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