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Old 02-27-2009, 07:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Wrestling Thoughts: It's back.

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Basically this column with be a mixture of thoughts on either wrestlers, angles or anything associated with wrestling from both the past, present and what could happen in the future. I hope you enjoy and share your thoughts, as well.


I’ve always been a fan of WCW. Yes, even during the Russo era. I never once switched the channel, even when WCW was preempted, I would go without. I always supported the product because they were the first product I remember watching. However, their were many things that baffled me. Here are a few.

1.) David Arquette winning the WCW World Heavyweight Championship: I may have this listed as number one, but to be honest, this isn’t intended in any sort of order. I understand bringing in David Arquette as a way to get publicity, but once you have him go over in the company that publicity turns into the joke of the week. I honestly feel that not only did this hurt WCW, but it hurt Arquette’s career. You have someone like Arquette winning the belt who is really the size of Spike Dudley in a national company hurts the image of WCW. If you think of it, the whole situation made DDP look like a complete idiot. Why would he allow Arquette to win the championship? Sure he was his friend in storyline but has Ric Flair ever allowed Arn Anderson to win the heavyweight championship? No. Then the fact that it was all a massive swerve by Arquette and company to give Jarrett the belt back at Slamboree was ridiculous. I think WCW thought the move would be good for business… but it didn’t really help at all. It severely hurt them.

2.) This next situation that hurt WCW was by one of its writers. Vince Russo. I’m not going to question his writing because well, everyone does. I’ll save that for another day. My main issue with Russo was that he booked himself, a non wrestler, to hold the WCW Championship. You can say that he never defended it, nor did he really cleanly win it, but he won it. He was the man who also, for what seems like a million times, ended Ric Flair’s career in June of 2000. Russo should have gotten a young guy, I don’t know who but I will think of it later, to end Flair. The rub that guy would have gotten would be great. As long as it was a young guy, you know what, a serious Mike Awesome would be perfect for that role. Russo as I much as he may deny it, was looking to put himself over rather than the boys who compete two hundred days a year.

3.) Keeping to the core five guys without elevating new guys. Look back, anything before July of 2000 WCW was focused around Hogan, Nash, Flair, Goldberg, Hart, and Sting. They tried to elevate Chris Benoit, but that was to only keep him from leaving. Something they had to GRANT. Once he left and the others, what happened? They put the strap back onto a man who was well past his prime (Sid.). Raven, Guerrero, Jericho, Benoit, Booker T, Scott Steiner, Perry Saturn and even Rey Jr. and Kidman. WCW found success with something (N.W.O) and simply continued with that path until they had no choice to stop it, but continued to push the same guys involved. Basically, you could watch one WCW show, and you didn’t have to see another one, because it was the same thing, over and over again.

4.) Creative Control. No, not the tag team. The clause in contracts where it allows the wrestler to pick and choose what he does or doesn’t do. That hurts the product, when you allow your employee to dictate the show. That doesn’t benefit anyone but the wrestler who is looking out for themselves.


I’ll have more down the road. But here are some memories and opinions of wrestlers/gimmicks from the past.

1.) Rick Rude: I strongly believe he should be a top five heel ever to compete in wrestling. The heat this man would get is quite impressive. I was too young to watch him back in his prime or even late in his in-ring career, but through the power of tape trading the internet, I have been able to watch this man compete and I believe current wrestlers who are heels need to watch his promos, along with Ric Flair. He simply knew how to piss people off.

2.) Sean O’Haire: I strongly believe that if WWE had been able to get over the fact that he was a WCW guy, like they did for Booker T, he would have been a money maker in this business. He had the look, he had the charisma and had everything to be a star. Look up his promos from around 2003, before he was with Piper. That gimmick was such a great idea, but such a shame it didn’t get a chance to get over.

3.) Bryan Clarke: Another WCW big man that WCW simply miss the ball with. 1998 he was Wrath and was heading to a showdown with Goldberg. However, another washed up big man decided to use his stroke and kill Clarke’s push. Seemingly anytime he had a gimmick he managed to get over literally every time. Clarke is one man that many people may not know, but he is without a doubt one of the best big man to never get a push.



Present:

A few weeks ago was TNA’s Against All Odds that has to go down as one of the most sub-par PPV’s in history. The fact that TNA has come out and said that they are going to have four key PPV’s is something I simply do not understand. I could see WWE doing something like that because people seemingly will support the product no matter what. TNA simply doesn’t have that luxury. TNA has many issues and it’s NOT Vince Russo.

You see, Vince Russo may be a writer, but he is not the head writer. That is all Dutch Mantel. Anything that is put on television has to be approved by Jeff Jarrett. So, where is the heat on Jeff Jarrett for allowing some terrible ideas to be put on television from BOTH Mantel and Russo. People always remember WCW 2000 with Russo and constantly put the blame on Russo all the time. Go watch TNA 2003-2004. Russo wrote that material, and to be honest, its some of the better wrestling I’ve watched.

Back on topic, Destination X 2009. So far there are three matches announced but Ultimate X doesn’t have any participants. Booker T defending the TNA Legends Championship against AJ Styles and Sting defending the TNA World Heavyweight Championship against fellow Main Even Mafia member, Kurt Angle with Jeff Jarrett as the special referee and Mick Foley as the special enforcer. I’m completely expecting a Foley turn here. Foley remember is not a TNA guy, and he is a former WWF World Heavyweight Champion which is the whole purpose of M.E.M. Now you may say that Jarrett is one as well, but Jarrett built TNA and he is in storyline trying to fight off the M.E.M. A Foley turn would be fantastic as he is a great heel, and far better than a comedic baby face in my opinion. Once the complete card is released, I will go in-depth with predictions and what not.

Last Monday night on RAW I perhaps witnessed one of the most ridiculous finishes to WWE RAW. Now, I think the whole angle with HHH/Orton is a good story. However, the whole finish Monday Night simply didn’t make sense. HHH is chasing Orton and DiBiase with a sledgehammer and manages to TRAP them in a room with the sledgehammer, they have nothing to defend themselves with. They manage to escape and sure DiBiase got hit in the back but he managed to run out of the room? HHH continues to chase after Legacy as they jump into car, and proceed to leave the car door open and Rhodes doesn’t quickly drive off, he simply stays their. Now, anyone would most likely jab the sledgehammer into the car, but HHH decided to send the hammer through the CAR WINDOW. What the hell is the point in that? That doesn’t do anything. How HHH didn’t mange to destroy Legacy is beyond me. HHH should have just gotten the advantage and get mugged on Smackdown so that Legacy get the heat back, its not complicated. That last scene was one of the worst I have ever seen.


Well, that’s all I got for this time around. I’m sure I’ll have more on my mind later this week with more Old School wrestling thoughts.

Thanks for reading. Discuss if you wish.
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Re: Wrestling Thoughts: It's back.

1.) David Arquette winning the WCW World Heavyweight Championship:

Keep in mind that DDP was a face and Arquette took the title away from a guy he hated. Being a face, Page wouldn't be jealous or upset. That's how he's different from Flair doing the same for Anderson.

As bad as Arquette winning the belt was, he was at least a class act about it with how he used the money he made.
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It got WCW mainstream media attention in newspapers like USA Today, something that had never happened before. It was a gamble that we now know didnt pay off. But, if it had WCW would have been way out in front.

In regards to Russo, Vince McMahon did the exact same thing, twice!

On the Raw finish, i only had one problem with it and you had the same one. Triple H smashing the window instead of going after diBiase or Orton. Its not like he didnt have the time to do it. The rest i though was really well done.
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1.) David Arquette winning the WCW World Heavyweight Championship:

Keep in mind that DDP was a face and Arquette took the title away from a guy he hated. Being a face, Page wouldn't be jealous or upset. That's how he's different from Flair doing the same for Anderson.

As bad as Arquette winning the belt was, he was at least a class act about it with how he used the money he made.
You have misinformation. DDP won the championship from Jarrett on April 24th, 2000 in a steel cage match. Two days later he teamed with David to take on Jarrett and Bischoff. David pinned Bischoff to win the belt. The logic of Page allowing someone to take the belt of of HIM, makes zero sense to me. If it were the way you mentioned, then perhaps i could understand it, but it didn't.






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In regards to Russo, Vince McMahon did the exact same thing, twice.
Major difference here. WWF was making money at the time. WCW was losing money every waking minute. Though i don't agree with either one as neither are "wrestlers".



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On the Raw finish, i only had one problem with it and you had the same one. Triple H smashing the window instead of going after diBiase or Orton. Its not like he didnt have the time to do it. The rest i though was really well done.
Same here. It looked to me like Orton got in the car too early or Trips got there too late. It would have looked much better if Orton got in at the last second before Trips swung at him, breaking the window. It just looked stupid and unnecessary.
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I don't know.. it could be easy to justify as he might not have been able to hit Orton if he crawled to the other side of the car or something, so he let out frustration on the car.

Good article though and I found the last segment to be great personally, but most of what else you said I agree with.
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Re: Arquette winning the WCW title

Any non-wrestler holding a title is a fucking joke.

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Um, were you watching the same segment I was? The time between them getting in the limo and Trips hitting the window was pretty minimal. There is no way he would have realistically been able to stop them or get to them, so him smashing the window was out of frustration more than anything. Worst segment ever? You have to fucking joking. I do think it's pretty strange how they have changed Orton from "ass-kicker psycopath" to "chickenshit heel with a faction" suddenly though.
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Um, were you watching the same segment I was? The time between them getting in the limo and Trips hitting the window was pretty minimal. There is no way he would have realistically been able to stop them or get to them, so him smashing the window was out of frustration more than anything. Worst segment ever? You have to fucking joking. I do think it's pretty strange how they have changed Orton from "ass-kicker psycopath" to "chickenshit heel with a faction" suddenly though.

Yes i was and did watch the same segment. How HHH has someone trapped in a ROOM with a WEAPON and allows them to escape is not realistic. If i had a sledgehammer in a room with locked doors, their is zero way that both men are walking or in this case running out of the room healthy enough to escape. Not happening. Sure he hit DiBiase, but DiBiase wasn't greatly affect the the hit. That's what i simply do not understand and find to be a complete joke.

As for the worst segment, that was clearly a exaggeration. It wasn't awful but many parts of the segment were quite ridiculous.
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If you're expecting ultra-realism, you probably shouldn't be watching the wwe in the first place. I don't see what was so ridiculous about it, Trips swung, Orton evaded, Orton ran. Nothing ridiculous there. Seemed like the sort of thing I've seen in a million films before.
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If you're expecting ultra-realism, you probably shouldn't be watching the wwe in the first place. I don't see what was so ridiculous about it, Trips swung, Orton evaded, Orton ran. Nothing ridiculous there. Seemed like the sort of thing I've seen in a million films before.

Orton was backed against the mirror and HHH stood their and simply stared and grunted at him. That's ridiculous. It took him at least 30 seconds to decide to even attempt to hit him. Thats the ridiculous part.
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