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Old 02-22-2009, 09:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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4. Thoughts on...

- Jack Evans

- Late 2002 Smackdown

- Jake Roberts

- Flair vs Steamboat matches

- If you could pick one wrestler to go to WWE/TNA/ROH/Promotion of choice, who would it be?

- D-X or nWo?

- Money In The Bank

- Non-wrestlers in wrestling matches

- Chris Hero

- British/WoS style
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Old 02-22-2009, 10:10 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: 4. Thoughts on...

- Jack Evans
Spotty, but at times enjoyable. I prefer him in tags and six mans where he's not a major part, but I don't like him in singles. Almost his entire offense involves flips, most of which aren't necessary, and it's brutal watching someone much larger than him having to sell that offense. I'll give him that he improved a lot when he came back from Japan, but I don't think he continued to improve afterwards.

- Late 2002 Smackdown
Loved it. The HBK/HHH feud, possibly the best tag division in the world with just three teams. The matches with the combinations of Eddie, Benoit, Angle, Edge, Rey and Chavo made for some of the best that year and it's great that all of them went on to become world champions. Well, if you count Chavo as the ECW champ. I was still a mark at this point and I remember hating Paul Heyman with a passion, he was great as a heel manager.

- If you could pick one wrestler to go to WWE/TNA/ROH/Promotion of choice, who would it be?
I'd love to see Christopher Daniels come back to ROH. When Nigel loses the belt, there'll be a new top heel needed and I can't see Jimmy Jacobs filling that role with his random win/loss record and the quality of his non-hardcore matches. Daniels could do it easy after the promo where he quit the promotion, the guy will be over as hell and we all know he's good in the ring.

- D-X or nWo?
Always found DX more enjoyable. Must've been because I found the swearing and toilet humour to be different from what I was currently watching.

- Non-wrestlers in wrestling matches

As long as they don't go over cleanly and it's not treated like a proper match, I'm fine with it, really. Managers are usually good at this. Who doesn't want to see Larry Sweeney get his ass seriously handed to him?

- Chris Hero
He was one of the top acts of 2007 with Sweet 'n' Sour Inc. and his Superior Natural Athlete schtick. His antics and shenanigans were HUGELY over with the crowd and it was comedy gold, but that was his downfall. He couldn't get over as a heel or the crowd to boo him, even if he went insanely OTT with the antics. So when he came back as Serious Hero and stopped doing the antics, he got booed. But then he stopped doing all of his cool moves for some reason and his matches consisted of forearms, elbows and big boots. He got boring and is now stuck in the midcard scene doing random SnS Inc. tag matches. I'm enjoying the That Young Knockout Kid gimmick, but it's dragging on for too long already. Let's just have Roderick KO Hero, then find out what's inside the Loaded Elbow Pad, then end the fucking gimmick.

- British/WoS style
I would sometimes watch World of Sport when it was on TWC and thought it was quite good. Some guys were great technical wrestlers who could really work a crowd, though it must've been a lot easier back then. There's moves I'd like to see more of today. But there's also stuff that would have no chance of getting over today. There was this kid in the ring with a veteran, and the veteran was pwning him badly at chain wrestling. Whenever the kid got the advantage, the veteran would clap for him and encourage the crowd to do the same. But then the veteran pwned him badly some more, to the point where he started letting the kid do moves on him. The crowd loved the sportsmanship and the when the match was over, the kid shook his hand and walked off like a chump. If he lowblowed the veteran or something, he would've been the heelest of heels that night.
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Re: 4. Thoughts on...

- Jack Evans
In my opinion, he is a prime example of someone getting over by doing ridiculous spots. I enjoy his moves, but i dont see him as a top tier wrestler by any means.

- Late 2002 Smackdown

Considering the talent that was on the show. It was a great time.

- Jake Roberts

I've always liked Jake Roberts. Recently watched his brief run in WCW circa 1992 and i thought he did well. Its a shame that he allowed himself to become an addict. His stuff in the late 80's - early 1990's was some great stuff for sure.

- Flair vs Steamboat matches

Oddly enough, i have all their matches on DVD and simply haven't gotten to watching all of them. Only one i can remember at the moment is their WCW Spring Stampede 1994 match. Didn't really think it was all that great. I have to go back and watch that match and the all three or so they had.

- If you could pick one wrestler to go to WWE/TNA/ROH/Promotion of choice, who would it be?

I'd really like to see Sid in the WWE for one last run. Not because i think he would put on great matches or anything like that, but just to see him compete on a national stage after such a tragic injury in 2001.

- D-X or nWo?

D-X simply because they didn't become over saturated with members.

- Money In The Bank

Enjoyable match.

- Non-wrestlers in wrestling matches

I hate it. They take so much out of the match.

- Chris Hero

His mic work is always good. But i believe he is one of the most overrated wrestling guys i have ever witnessed.

- British/WoS style
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Re: 4. Thoughts on...

- Jack Evans
Awful white trash backyarder spotmonkey. Was fun for a while but then he got old and it was only when he was in the ring with superior wrestlers he was watchable. If it wasn't for Gen Next he would have been forgotten like all the other indy spotmonkeys with awful offence and selling over the years.

- Late 2002 Smackdown
Angle still in his prime, Benoit and Guerrero being Benoit and Guerrero, Chavo being motivated, Rey getting a second "prime" and Edge in his prime. Last time every division was really great. Taker and Lesnar also brought the epic.

- Jake Roberts
Need to see more, but seems like he was pretty useless in the ring but a great promo cutter. Reminds me sort of like Raven in the way he rants about psycology yet he rarely had a non-stip good match.

- Flair vs Steamboat matches
Not as good as people big them up to be, but still better than 90% of everything else ever. The matches would still be fantastic today, let alone by 1989 standards.

- If you could pick one wrestler to go to WWE/TNA/ROH/Promotion of choice, who would it be?
WWE re-signing Giant Bernard and letting him run wild and demolish guys would be pretty win.

- D-X or nWo?
Never saw the appeal out of the nWo outside of the shock factor. Both are pretty overated and useless though (outside of ratings).

- Money In The Bank

Shitty spotfest with terrible lazy booking.

- Non-wrestlers in wrestling matches
As long as they are good I don't care. More Floyd Mayweathers, less K-Feds.

- Chris Hero
Good indy worker, can't ever see him making it big though. Was great in the CZW/ROH fued, but when he became a full ROH member he fell victim to the ROH crowds. Stopped all the stuff that made him fun to watch and his KO kid gimmick was pretty failure as far as match quality goes. His match with Ki at the BOLA finals was better than any of his ROH matches I've seen in a good year+.

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I like watching guys like Saint, Breaks, Lee, etc but most of it is hit and miss. Varies from great crowdwork and hold exchanges to boring monotomous rest holds between guys with no personality. Also: Fuck Big Daddy.
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Re: 4. Thoughts on...

I was trying to remember the name of a particular guy and you just reminded me, Jim Breaks. Guy is an epic heel.
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Re: 4. Thoughts on...

Jack Evans
I have not seen too much of him but whenever I do see him I wonder why people like to differentiate between him and guys like Teddy Hart. Sure, he is entertaining, but he is as much of a spot monkey as anyone else. Flips get boring after a while, even if you're damn near killing yourself with them like an idiot.

Late 2002 Smackdown
Pretty great for all the reasons already specified. Angle, Benoit and Eddie were the sort of wrestlers you just don't see in WWE nowadays. They were capable of consistently great matches and were given time to show it. Then you add Rey, and guys like Taker and Lesnar, who had a great feud, and you have a pretty amazing show.

Jake Roberts
Honestly? I have never seen a Jake Roberts match.
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Flair vs Steamboat matches
I have seen a couple of them. I didn't think they were anything too special. I guess I just can't get into wrestling from around that time.

If you could pick one wrestler to go to WWE/TNA/ROH/Promotion of choice, who would it be?
I would be tempted to say Sting to WWE just for the Undertaker feud, but I would probably say Danielson to WWE. While McGuinness is arguably better suited due to his size, I think the option of finally seeing whether Danielson could make the transition to the WWE style successfully would be too good of an opportunity to miss.

D-X or nWo?

Never watched WCW, but by looking back I can see that the nWo were more shocking and a much bigger deal, even though I found DX very entertaining (not counting their last run obviously). Would have been amazing to see the formation of the nWo live, but oh well.

Money In The Bank
It is a great concept. The idea that the winner of the match can get a World Title shot at any time within the next year. It was also a great idea that it was competed for in a ladder match, and I approve of anything which becomes a ''Wrestlemania tradition''. That said, it was distinct drawbacks. I do believe that the very existence of MITB causes lazy booking as they know that they can just throw guys into the match without thinking of anything better for them. 8 guys is way too many, and it is such a waste. That said, some of these guys wouldn't get on the card anyway so it is good to see people used. The last two have been way too spotty, but Wrestlemania 21's MITB was a very good match.

Non-wrestlers in wrestling matches
I like the idea if they are willing to work hard and want to put on the best match they can. It seems big when you get someone like Mayweather competing at Wrestlemania. It makes a nice change. I am guessing this is referring to celebrities rather than the likes of Shane, but Shane is great lol.

Chris Hero
I love him, mainly due to his gimmick/character though. He is a good wrestler as well, but his mic skills and heel work are what made him stand out. I can't see him ever getting a shot in WWE or TNA, which is a shame. Both companies would probably waste him though.

British/WoS style
Despite being British, I have no knowledge of it.
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Re: 4. Thoughts on...

Late 2002 Smackdown

I was following in this era, but not as closely as I would retrospectively have liked. I remember it having some really good in-ring stuff. Some great workers. The difference between then and now seems so huge...

- Jake Roberts

Oddly, overrated and underrated at the same time. underrated in that a lot of fans seems to have forgotten about him. Overrated in that I've heard industry insiders talk about him as a fantastic in-ring talent who could have been one of the best ever, and when watching old matches, I can't say I see that. I'm not saying they're wrong, just that I don't see what they are saying was there.

- Flair vs Steamboat matches

I've only seen a couple of them recently, but well-worked matches. Quality.

- If you could pick one wrestler to go to WWE/TNA/ROH/Promotion of choice, who would it be?

Samoa Joe back to ROH. I just really don't like what TNA has done with him, and I can't see the WWE making good use of his abilities. But I think ROH could turn him back into the monster, and he would help with the new TV show.

- D-X or nWo?

I watched a lot more WWE than WCW through both eras, so it makes D-X an easy choice. Even still, when you look at everything, I think it has to be D-X. Both played a big part in helping their respective promotions hit peak periods. The nWo may have been more of a catalyst for WCW than D-X was for the WWE, but the difference is that the nWo also played a significant role in the decline of WCW. D-X helped elevate Triple H to the main event, and turned Chyna into something of a star as well. Off-hand, I can't think of any stars that the nWo created, either as part of the stable or against them. Looking back, many nWo storylines had a bit more logical disconnect than D-X ones did (to my memory at least), and it doesn't seem like D-X was kept going for far too long, the way that the nWo was.

- Money In The Bank

A great idea that sometimes seems like it lacks in execution. I could be wrong on this, but it seems like it gets used in a pretty similar manner each time. A little more variety in what they do with the MITB would be cool to see.

- Non-wrestlers in wrestling matches

As others have said, if its done right. For the most part, they aren't presented as wrestlers, so having them try to do a "legit" match seems weak. When you put a non-wrestler in against a wrestler, it should be a virtual squash match. When it comes to the McMahon's, I'm torn - its entertaining but sometimes doesn't make sense. I liked it better back in the McMahon-Austin rivalry when Vinnie Mac would wrestle but he had to use all kinds of nefarious means, as he couldn't really match up with Austin and he knew it. I wish they'd do something similar with Shane.
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Re: 4. Thoughts on...

- Jack Evans
Good comedy wrestler and while his spots are impressive, I prefer whenever he shows a little wrestling skill. He really doesn't need to be so spotty.

- Late 2002 Smackdown
The best single time of excitement since the Attitude Era ended. I don't feel we were appreciated the fact that we were getting brand PPV quality shows every week. If you'd do a top 10 WWE matches from 2002, I imagine the majority would be from this time period. Even though Raw was decent, it couldn't even come close to being as good.

- Jake Roberts
One of the best speakers ever. In the ring, he was hit or miss, but he was in a few really good matches. His blindfold matches is one of the most underrated matches of the 1990's. Through Jake's storytelling, he made a match that has bombed every other time (That I've seen) work. Feud of the year in 1991 with Randy Savage.

- Flair vs Steamboat matches
Virtually the same match every time, but they were always entertaining. They had a natural chemistry that resulted in both able to not even think about what they were doing. In an outstanding year (Both WWF and WCW), they stood out from most.

- If you could pick one wrestler to go to WWE/TNA/ROH/Promotion of choice, who would it be?
William Regal to ROH. Regal vs Dragon, Regal vs Nigel, Regal vs Aries? Hell yeah.

- D-X or nWo?
At the time, DX easily. However, looking back, I prefer the early days of the nWo than anything DX did.

- Money In The Bank
Decent concept, but it just feels too similar every year. I wouldn't mind seeing the match moved to a new PPV and treated as a much bigger match.

- Non-wrestlers in wrestling matches
As long as they can make an entertaining match, I'm all for it in moderation. Surprisingly, Jay Leno's match from Road Wild 1998 was my favorite match from the entire show. It wasn't even good, but it was entertaining.

- Chris Hero
What happened? It seemed as if he was a natural future ROH champion, but these days it seems like Davey Richards and possibly eventually Eddie Edwards has a better chance winning the title.

- British/WoS style
Very fast paced and frankly exhausting just to watch. Entertaining and easy to respect the wrestlers from the old WOS days.
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Re: 4. Thoughts on...

- Jack Evans
He's alright for just a spot monkey, his breakdancing gives him a little character, more than others like PAC, but i still prefer PAC over him.

- Late 2002 Smackdown
From what I remember of it, it was very good with it being stacked with talent

- Jake Roberts
Can't say I've seen a whole lot of him, but I like his promos and some of his matches were entertaining.

- Flair vs Steamboat matches
Like every one I've seen, they never had a bad match, all of them were very good.

- If you could pick one wrestler to go to WWE/TNA/ROH/Promotion of choice, who would it be? Hmm, I'd like to see Paul Birchall to ROH when/if he gets released from the WWE, i think he could do very well there.

- D-X or nWo?
Hmm, probably D-X because I remember a lot more of them than the NWO for some reason.

- Money In The Bank
I like them, pretty entertaining, the first one was really good and then the others have been alright.

- Non-wrestlers in wrestling matches
Don't really like it even though it gives wrestling more spotlight on like ESPN, etc.
- Chris Hero
Love him, but don't like the current ROH gimmick he has, and needs to be a legitimate threat to the ROH title again.

- British/WoS style
Haven't seen much of it, I'm not even sure what wrestlers would be considered it for its style lol
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- Jack Evans- An Overrated Spot Monkey but can be entertaining from time to time. I'd like him more if he could actually wrestle somewhat but when he was in ROH he was decent for the role that he was put into.

- Late 2002 Smackdown- Excellent Wrestling and with the way that SmackDown was slightly considered to be the B brand of the WWE (And still to this day) that SmackDown really picked up the ball and ran with the opportunity. Guys like Brock Lesnar flourished, Eddie Guerrero and Rey Mysterio found now life on the blue brand and Angle consistently delievered putting on great match after great match.

- Jake Roberts- One of the best minds that Wrestling has ever had. Jake is still fresh and I can think that he was one of the best and most influential talkers the WWF ever had. Without him, that key ingredient to get guys over to Hogan the WWF would have been lost in the shuffle. For many years, Jake crafted and honed his skills and grew to be one of the hottest commodities the WWF ever had. The Sad part is that drugs were his downfall and never really could fully recover. I hope one day he is truthful to himself and cleans himself up for good once and for all.

- Flair vs Steamboat matches- Easily one of the best series of matches that the NWA/WCW really put out. Two of the top wrestlers not named Hogan or Savage were in their prime and with Flair being his absolute best inside the ring, selling for Steamboat and Steamboat's personality weaved with his abilities inside the ring made Steamboat to me an instant favorite. Steamboat eppitimized what a Babyface really should be and any young wrestler should study the career he's had and will be better off for it in the long run.

- If you could pick one wrestler to go to WWE/TNA/ROH/Promotion of choice, who would it be?- If I can do a three team trade really sending one guy to each company I think you could probably find a good balance that would help out each company fairly. This is Merely a Fantasy Deal so it doesn't exactly count in real life but just imagine the possibilities.

From ROH To WWE = Bryan Danielson
From TNA To ROH = Robert Roode and James Storm
From WWE to TNA = Ricky Ortiz, Hornswoggle and Batista

- D-X or nWo?- Neither......I'd go with The 4 Horsemen or Evolution or even The Fabulous Freebirds any day. I found that while they may have been the shining beacon of the Attitude Era, they were in itself, Highly overrated.

- Money In The Bank- A fun match that adds appeal at WrestleMania. Basically, you take any aspiring young WWE Talent that hasn't recieved that push yet and you get to see them grow in the spotlight and have a pretty good shot to see them grow larger in the company and into a more prominent role. Look at CM Punk last year.

- Non-wrestlers in wrestling matches- I'm ok with it as long as they understand what they are being brought into. Train hard at it. Not to mention, study the product so when the spotlight is shined down onto you, you can deliver and make it look seemlessly good. Some have tried and failed while others have tried and succeded. If they come in like they want to do this or come in to just collect a paycheck makes a difference to me in Non-wrestling personalities entering the wrestling business.

- Chris Hero - A Unique talent that has been the talent to get over but more times than not can never really truly get over the hump of being that upper eschelon of being one of the top performers. Don't get me wrong, I think he is pretty solid, but he needs a bit of work if he ever wants to graduate to the next level and get noticed by the WWE for "Everybodies Hero".

- British/WoS style- From watching guys like Dynamite Kidd and Nigel McGuinness, the British Style is a fast paced one tht can tire alot of people out just from watching it at ringside but its an interesting and tough style. I need to see more to clarify the answer since I'm American and not very exposed to foreign exposure of the wrestling world all that much.
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