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One thing Ive never understood is how a country such as Mexico could have such a great history amongst wrestling fans when it is synonymous for Lucha libre style wrestling. Meanwhile, when elements of the free flowing, highflying elements are used by bigger men such as Jeff Hardy, they are called a spot monkey. Can someone explain to me why a 5 foot 6 man twirling around the head of another wrestler is known as great wrestling, yet anything a Kofi Kingston, Jeff Hardy, Shelton Benjamin or R-Truth does is spotty at best?
Personally, I find both to be shitty wrestling. What I have seen of Lucha Libra, it makes The Road Warriors looks like ultimate sellers. I just can't get into a match where it looks so choreographed with no one even acting like the moves hurt.
As for why there's a difference in countries, my best guess is because Mexico has it's history in spot monkeys. That's what they've been trained to watch. Meanwhile, America has a history of technical wrestling that has evolved over time slowly adding new elements.
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Luchadores aren't spotmonkeys mostly if you watch the ones that are actually good. In fact, lucha (the good stuff) is usually more story-driven than most styles. Lucha isn't just dives, it's also about emotion, brawling and tight matwork.
The difference is a spotmonkey goes from one spot to the netx with no real flow or anything in between. Basically, no substance to their work. If you watch a good luchador like, El Hijo Del Santo, Wagner or even Rey Rey, it's far from being "just a bunch of spots".
There are alot of Mexiacn wrestlers who are spotmonkeys, but you'll find spotmonkeys in every promotion. Guys like Wagner, Santo, Rey, Dos, etc aren't overly flippy or flashy just for the sake of it like guys like Truth, Benjamin, Evans, Hart, etc are.
I'll take Edge vs Hardy from the RR as an example. Whilest this was also somewhat of an Edge match in the sense that everything was filler until the swerve/twist at the end, Hardy's spotmonkeyness also shone through. There was ZERO story or psycology to the match, they literally did a spot, moved to the next position, then did the next spot. No build up or struggle, or any flow or direction to anything. That is a spotfest.
Jim, I don't know if it'd change your mind, but I'd recommend watching Blue Panther vs Villano V - mask vs mask match from last year. Easily one of my top five matches of the year and far more story-driven than most matches from last year.
Jim, I don't know if it'd change your mind, but I'd recommend watching Blue Panther vs Villano V - mask vs mask match from last year. Easily one of my top five matches of the year and far more story-driven than most matches from last year.
I'm willing to check out anything. Most of my lucha knowledge comes from watching the Spanish channel to see AAA and any random matches. But even Guerrero/Bar vs El Hijo del Santo and Octagon I found fairly spotty and not even close to worthy of it's 5 star status by people.
Villano V is still around? For some inexplicable reason, I enjoyed Villano IV and V in WCW. It's not like they ever produced a good match in WCW.
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I'll see if I can find a link or a copy of it. I think it's actually pretty comparable the WWC tag. Ok, so they don't hit each other stiff or anything (nothing looks sloppy in Panther/Vilano), but the match is great because of the story-telling. Even if you didn't think much of the tag (I don't think its 5* btw) I don't think you can deny the heavy focu on story-telling in it.
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