WWE/TNA Tourney Round 3 - Christian Cage vs. Undertaker

Jayman

Super Moderator

Christian Cage



Christian Cage is one of the most charismatic, cocky and athletically gifted performers to grace the world of professional wrestling in the past ten-plus years. A fierce competitor in each organization he has been a part of, success has been synonymous with Cage. One of the biggest acquisitions in Total Nonstop Action Wrestling history, Christian Cage made an immediate impact and has claimed two World Title reigns in the process. Christian Cage now refers to himself as "The Instant Classic" - a moniker that certainly fits the TNA star.

Undertaker



The Deadman has overcome every challenge he's faced in his WWE career en route to becoming one of the the greatest Superstars in WWE history.

From the moment his signature gong fills the air, WWE fans are captivated by Undertaker’s mere presence. The Deadman from Death Valley is usually a man of few words, but can often intimidate even the toughest WWE Superstars with one glance. His somber persona has been a terrifying trademark of WWE for over 15 years, and no list of WWE all-time greats can be considered complete without Undertaker.

Danny Diamond

Founder/Admin

I love Christian more than anyone but the Deadman loses very rarely.

God

Super Moderator

Serious question:

What has 'taker done to be considered an all time great?

His WM streak? In the last few years Orton is the only one who was built enough to actually have a chance of winning. Every other year 'taker was always winning.

Other than favourable booking aroun March, what has he actually done?

Suntan Superman

WC's Resident Samoan

now if we're talking street-fighting or wrestling, Taker wins, size and agility
if you want to go on wrestling/acting ability, I can't think of anyone who has ever put on better shows year in and year out than Taker.

The road I walk is paved in gold
To glorify my platinum soul
I am the closest thing to God
So worship me and never stop.
The selfish blood runs through my veins
I gave up everything for fame
I am the life that you adore
I feed the rich and fuck the poor.
This is entertainment
Lives are entertainment
You are down on your knees
Begging me for more.

Tyler Durden

Well the guy is 42 years old and a legit 6 foot 10 so even if he was just an average worker, being able to be as athletic as he is, and has been for 15 years….that’s a huge achievement.

Leaving that aside, he’s been at the forefront in all that time of the programming for the biggest wrestling company on earth. Until recently, he’s worked a full schedule all that time too.

He is a Wrestlemania link in the groups history from people from as far back as Jimmy Snuka all the way up to Randy Orton and Batista. These matches have not always been stand out efforts, but the ones with Flair, Batista, Hunter and Orton have all been excellent.

He has a timeless and proven gimmick that has been a bona fide ratings draw to millions of wrestling fans all around the world for nearly two decades.

He has carried inumerable huge and useless performers to the best efforts of their careers, from guys like Yokozuna and Kamala up to Big Dave in the last year.

He has not always been pitted with the best wrestlers of his generation, however whenever he has been allowed to work with an athletic performer he has more than carried his end of the match.

He has helped shape the aura that matches such as “Buried Alive” and “Hell In A Cell” carry. Without his participation in the first few matches of these kind, they may never have got over in the way they did.

His feuds with Jake Roberts, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Mick Foley, Stone Cold, Kane, Triple H and Brock Lesnar were all off the hook,.

He also helped Jeff Hardy (in a ladder match), RVD (in a streetfight) and John Cena (as a young heel on Smackdown) to some of the best efforts they ever had on free TV (watch them on Youtube if you can).

Last year he won his first Royal Rumble and took part in quite possibly the best last 10 minutes of action a Rumble match has ever seen in the dramatic climax with Michaels.

He, physically, looks in as good a condition as he ever has.

He has had an incredible, incredible career and (at his prime, which he possibly is still at) was the greatest big man this industry has ever seen. He has achieved this largely without resorting to “mic” work or comedy to get over, but instead on playing his role to perfection to generation upon generation of WWE fans.

The guy is a complete legend. Christian is a fine, fine worker. But this is a no-brainer and, whilst I agree with you on Angle versus Hunter, when you are voting for Raven and Christian against The Undertaker!!........

God

Super Moderator

He has never been a big draw. Rating spike's when he is active usualy coincide with someone else returning or Austin/McMahon feud fo example.

John Cena has done that aswell but with different people. He got a good match out of Khali!!

HIAC got over for one reason. Shawn Michaels & Mick Foley taking a massive fall.


Again, he's not alone in doing this. Many wrestlers every year do this & they arent considered all time greats.

How he looks & how he is are two different things. His knees have been acting up for near 10 years now.

He cant resort to mic work because he is hit & miss with it. You dont know what you are getting until it's too late.





With that being said, I do like Undertaker but i think he gets way too much credit when other people who have done much more get nothing in comparison regarding recognition.

Tyler Durden

I've never wanted to make love to God as much as I do right now.

I'd do him whilst he was wearing his little TNA cap

I've never known someone so gay for a wrestling group!

Suntan Superman

WC's Resident Samoan

yes, you pick apart each thing, everyone does them, who else does them all?

The road I walk is paved in gold
To glorify my platinum soul
I am the closest thing to God
So worship me and never stop.
The selfish blood runs through my veins
I gave up everything for fame
I am the life that you adore
I feed the rich and fuck the poor.
This is entertainment
Lives are entertainment
You are down on your knees
Begging me for more.

Deadman_015

Ah, Undertaker haters here. Joyful.

The Undertaker's drawing power is bar none at this point in the industry, not Hunter, not Cena, not Michaels, not anyone. Fact. Batista feuding The Undertaker, took away from his fanbase then helped. Basically showing the overness that of The Undertaker, to feud with a face such as Batista leading to they're fanbases slow depletion.

John Cena isn't a 6'10, 300 to 315 pound big man. He isn't. The Undertaker again even when doing these things -- was older then Cena, near or over 30 years old at that time and 41/42 years old upon getting the good work out of Batista.

The Undertaker and Hell in a Cell rarely part ways, when a match as such occurs. Hell in a Cell because of multiple reasons, is over. The Undertaker's name is etched over it and the fact that The Undertaker caused I believe Michaels fall as well as Foley's, got him even more over and made the angle work. At the time of those hell in a cells -- no one else could've thrown Foley off the Cell and realistically do it with they're character. Undertaker's matches in Hell in a Cell, have made Hell in a Cell what they are.

Hell in a Cell's greatest moments might involve a fall from Foley... but the greatest matches always involve The Undertaker. Lesnar/Undertaker 2002 No Mercy - Undertaker/Foley - HBK/Undertaker - those three Hell in a Cell's alone make Undertaker undoubtedly etched into the history of Hell in a Cell, and the devolopement of it.

Very few performers are able to pull such matches out of these competitors and get them over as such with these matches. The Undertaker does that. And you say others who have done this aren't considered all time greats? I call you on it and name Ric Flair with his stuff against Sting as an example that shows this greatly.

I didn't know the fact that his knee's act up make him unable to perform a good performance and make it so that he isn't in a good condition, or fit to be called one of the greatest ever.

The Undertaker under the american bad ass gimmick showed off his mic work. Under his gimmick of 'Deadman' it does not allow him to promo to his potential. It never has, because he has to try to transform his voice into sounding something it's not. The booking is at fault for this -- not himself. He's shown his stability as a mic worker and abilities over time. He's cut some great promo's before under the ABA gimmick. His Deadman gimmick is always hit & miss promo wise, because it doesn't portray his abilities.

We're comparing The Undertaker to Christian Cage here. We're looking at they're accomplishments and careers. Others accomplishments cannot undermine Undertakers or Cage's here overall, as it is not about the recognition others get.

Christian Cage is a great performer -- very strong in ring and so forth. Booking wise; The Undertaker would never lose to Christian Cage. The Undertaker does not job, that's why his legacy stands strongest compaired to most others because they haven't belittled him now that he's old to jobbing to every up and comer -- I.E what they do with Flair, he's choosen that path. But it's inevitably damaged him and made him look bad to the upcoming fans watching him now a days, thus when people my age that are not familiar with his past work see all of this. They won't appreciate him.

The Undertaker gets recognition as such because of his uncanny ability to get workers over just feuding with them - I.E Kennedy. His uncanny ability to perform in great matches against several stars that were thought to not be able to. Batista, WrestleMania 23. Undertaker has proven that big men can be great -- other men are great but never did things with it like The Undertaker has. Other men like Ric Flair -- and such, have been given recognition deserved as such they're careers fit -- Undertaker isn't thought of as the best ever at all.

But The Undertaker is thought to be someone ideally etched into the history of WrestleMania obviously and ideally someone that will forever be remembered in the WWE. Much like Hogan will always have references and rememberance, as will Austin... The Undertaker will also be remembered. Christian Cage is a very very good performer, maybe even great, but he wouldn't defeat The Undertaker. He isn't as over -- he has debatably better mic skills, very good in ring abilities like The Undertaker, but in they're primes Undertaker would squash Christian like a bug. Easily. In 2000/2001 was the prime of The Undertaker. His matches against Rob Van Dam - Triple H - Kurt Angle - The Rock - Steve Austin and topple almost anything Christian Cage has done in the ring, bar Joe/Chrisitan from Destination X. I rest my case.

Tyler Durden

^^^ Oh good God, he's...erm, just like God!!