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Old 02-16-2009, 05:36 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Re: Nuclear Weapons: A necessary evil?

Atomic bombs were dropped on Japan, not Nuclear weapons. The two are very different (Correct me if I'm wrong haha).

There is a huge reason as to why Japan didn't stop fighting a war they were unlucky not to win. Japanese Generals were told that the American Army, if they were to ever be captured or to ever enter the homeland, world rape and pillage Japanese civlians and massacre Japanese soldiers who did surrender; this propanda would mean that the Japanese would never surrender, why surrender when theres no possiblity for survival?
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Re: Nuclear Weapons: A necessary evil?

They are the same, so *corrected*.

The Atom Bomb is a type of nuclear weapon.
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Re: Nuclear Weapons: A necessary evil?

Sheesh, I wish people would at least attempt to make themselves aware of basic facts before stumbling into a discussion in which they plan to use said facts to back up their arguments.

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Nuclear weapons are not evil, we cannot call an instrument we create that causes devastation and death evil. To ad on to that, how can we justify whats evil and whats not? How can we ever justify evil when all of us have done something that, in most peoples mind, is considered evil? Hitler in World War 2 slaughtered millions of Russians and Jew's because they were "evil", and because of that, he is branded evil because of his beleifs. The American military dropped two Atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagaski, that killed millions of Japanese civilians... can we justify that as evil? Both were very different, and beleive me I'm not comparing either, however both cases led to innocent people being killed, does that justify... evil?

A society will do everything it can to protect its people, its family, because thats what the people turn to society for, protection. Its what the German people did, its what the American people did, its what Russian people did with Communism.

To me, evil is just a concept created by people who cannot accept the lengths a government will take to protect there people. To finish, Nuclear weapons are not evil... and never will be, they are made and used to strike fear into other nations... they will be used, no one can stop that. When your on the brink of destruction, you use the biggest weapon you have, to protect your people.
This whole diatribe you went on proclaiming how nuclear weapons aren't evil was presumably instigated by this thread's title, because no one here was making points opposed to yours. If so, then sorry for the confusion, because I definitely wasn't suggesting that metal and plastic and the other raw materials that go into a nuclear weapon are evil. That's absurd. Most would agree, however, that the destruction these weapons cause is a bad thing, and some have argued that there are no need for such powerful weapons in the first place. The instrument itself, being an inanimate object, obviously isn't evil, but it can clearly be argued that the act of creating, stockpiling, and specifically using such an instrument can be evil. This was never meant to be an epistemological point about the nature of war.

There were a few other peculiarities in your post that I found interesting:

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Hitler in World War 2 slaughtered millions of Russians and Jew's because they were "evil", and because of that, he is branded evil because of his beleifs. The American military dropped two Atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagaski, that killed millions of Japanese civilians... can we justify that as evil? Both were very different, and beleive me I'm not comparing either, however both cases led to innocent people being killed, does that justify... evil?
How is that not a comparison? Showing that two entities have something in common is basically the definition of a comparison. It's weird how you can claim to not be comparing two things, then later in the same sentence proceed to do just that. Were you scared of offending someone or something? Because what you said makes no sense.

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To me, evil is just a concept created by people who cannot accept the lengths a government will take to protect there people.
Is this literally what you believe, or were you just emphasizing a point? I do believe people created the concept of evil, but I don't think it was in response to a tactic the government used in war. I think it's foundation is in religion, and in the demonization of certain actions that were seen as taboo or deviating from the norm. Killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people would surely be seen as taboo, would it not? I don't think it's fair to try to equate a negative view of the effects of nuclear weapons to a simple psychological regress, used when people "cannot accept" the brutality of war.
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Re: Nuclear Weapons: A necessary evil?

I didn't post in this thread to argue against any of the points made by any of the past posters, so before you assume I did, I would check your facts before deciding to belittle my first post, I was simply trying to add to a struggling thread by refering to the thread title when writing my post. (I didn't know it was a crime to create other discussion that was somewhat relevent to the thread history?).

I agree, there is definatly no need for Nuclear weapons; but how can you deny the power that Nuclear weapons give a country? The most feared man-made weapon ever assembled at your disposal!? The thought of the idea brings fear into the heart of many. Whether or not Nuclear Weapons are evil is a matter of perspective... and obviosuly, a matter of state of mind.

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How is that not a comparison? Showing that two entities have something in common is basically the definition of a comparison. It's weird how you can claim to not be comparing two things, then later in the same sentence proceed to do just that. Were you scared of offending someone or something? Because what you said makes no sense.
I won't lie, of course I was scared (As you so blatently put it) of offending someone; how could you not be? To make a comparison of Nagasaki/Hiroshima/Hitler is a very big comparison to make, and if I did offend anybody, I apologise.

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Is this literally what you believe, or were you just emphasizing a point? I do believe people created the concept of evil, but I don't think it was in response to a tactic the government used in war. I think it's foundation is in religion, and in the demonization of certain actions that were seen as taboo or deviating from the norm. Killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people would surely be seen as taboo, would it not? I don't think it's fair to try to equate a negative view of the effects of nuclear weapons to a simple psychological regress, used when people "cannot accept" the brutality of war.
I agree, the argument I tried to propose was flawed and the government can not possibly be the sole reason Evil was created. However, I stand by evil being nothing but an excuse for those unwillingly able to accept responsiblity for brutal and heinous events that create fear and sadness in a society.
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