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If it's a load of crap, than why has the bible that was written so long ago been right about so many things. Soon enough we'll have the "mark of the beast" with the micro chipping of people in about 10 - 20 years.
If it's a load of crap, than why has the bible that was written so long ago been right about so many things. Soon enough we'll have the "mark of the beast" with the micro chipping of people in about 10 - 20 years.
Explain how the Bible has been right about stuff.
People just take the Bible to mean anything they want anyway.
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People just take the Bible to mean anything they want anyway.
Revelation 16:8-9
8 The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and it was allowed to scorch people with fire. 9 They were scorched by the fierce heat, and they cursed [1] the name of God who had power over these plagues. They did not repent and give him glory.
I respect those that believe because I understand why they do. They want to cling on that there is an eternal being up there to help guide them during the bad times. The most religious people I know of are the ones that have had SO much crap in their lifes. They remain religious to cling on the hope that things will get better. I'm not going to crush that and be all why do you believe in this!?
To answer this question... I always thought if you were a believer in God, you'd do to heaven. But if you didn't... you just went nowhere.
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Yes, I have a GIF of two women kissing.
Yes, it's hot. Yes it's Megan Fox kissing another woman from Jennifer's Body. Yes, it's hot... owait, I already said that. Yes, I'm aware this makes me sound like a total lesbian. But this scene? UNF.
Nexu I kinda skimmed read your first long post so if I'm way off just ignore this.
I took a philosophy course this year and we did a discussion on God.
Something my prof brought up was that God is three things in the Judeo Christian Model 1. Omnipotent 2. Omniscient 3. All Good
Now if God says no adueltery yet we still commit it bc of instincts and if God is all knowing he would know to fix this.
Well there's sorta an answer that is used.
1. God gave us free will so he doesn't know what we will choose but will give us guideliens. And that it is better to have free will and make mistakes than be good robots with no real emotions.
The counter to this is well God can't really have given us free will blah blah blah from there it goes on and on
But the main counter argument to that point let's assume there is a God then is it not seemingly possible for their to be a devil as well. And if we assume the devil is 1. omnipotent 2. omniscient but not 3 then it is possible to assume that God may have done his best to make us not want to commit adueletery but the devil has made it so that we are not 100% perfect like God wanted us to be.
Once again if I didn't read your post well and was way off just ignore me lol.
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I took a philosophy course this year and we did a discussion on God.
Something my prof brought up was that God is three things in the Judeo Christian Model 1. Omnipotent 2. Omniscient 3. All Good
Now if God says no adueltery yet we still commit it bc of instincts and if God is all knowing he would know to fix this.
Well there's sorta an answer that is used.
1. God gave us free will so he doesn't know what we will choose but will give us guideliens. And that it is better to have free will and make mistakes than be good robots with no real emotions.
The counter to this is well God can't really have given us free will blah blah blah from there it goes on and on
But the main counter argument to that point let's assume there is a God then is it not seemingly possible for their to be a devil as well. And if we assume the devil is 1. omnipotent 2. omniscient but not 3 then it is possible to assume that God may have done his best to make us not want to commit adueletery but the devil has made it so that we are not 100% perfect like God wanted us to be.
Your professor sounds like an incompatiblist (one who thinks the that the concept of free will is incompatible with the determinism a.k.a. destiny--which goes with the assertion that God is omniscient and/or omnipotent). My professor was a compatibilist and often emphasized the point that God may have a justification for allowing evil to happen (this again hearkens back to determinism, suggesting the ever popular "God has a plan" or "The Lord works in mysterious ways" rationalizations), and that God's goodness would not therefore be incompatible with him allowing evil to happen.
As a counter argument, it's a stretch, imo, but I've seen it used in the most scholarly of settings (course curricula, academic debates, etc).
One thing I don't really get is how you think it's not possible for there to be a God if there is a devil. Satan is not biblically characterized as being all-knowing or omnipotent (as it is literally logically impossible for two separate beings to be omnipotent). Furthermore, the idea of a devil is just as rooted in the Bible as the idea of a god is. According to scripture, the very essence of a devil is rooted in free will, as Satan is characterized as a fallen angel who, by application of free will, chose to go against God.
Nexu I kinda skimmed read your first long post so if I'm way off just ignore this.
I took a philosophy course this year and we did a discussion on God.
Something my prof brought up was that God is three things in the Judeo Christian Model 1. Omnipotent 2. Omniscient 3. All Good
Now if God says no adueltery yet we still commit it bc of instincts and if God is all knowing he would know to fix this.
Well there's sorta an answer that is used.
1. God gave us free will so he doesn't know what we will choose but will give us guideliens. And that it is better to have free will and make mistakes than be good robots with no real emotions.
The counter to this is well God can't really have given us free will blah blah blah from there it goes on and on
But the main counter argument to that point let's assume there is a God then is it not seemingly possible for their to be a devil as well. And if we assume the devil is 1. omnipotent 2. omniscient but not 3 then it is possible to assume that God may have done his best to make us not want to commit adueletery but the devil has made it so that we are not 100% perfect like God wanted us to be.
Once again if I didn't read your post well and was way off just ignore me lol.
You pretty much nailed it here. Before the crucifixion of Jesus, the devil tempted him with the promise of being king, if Jesus didnt give his life for the sins of humanity. For a small time afterwards Jesus question the ways of his death freeing humanity from hell if they sinned. Thus I believe that because Jesus was built by human design God realized that a basic human instinct can be exploited by evil and set up the 10 commandments according. Everytime we see that sexy person across the street, that is the devil exploiting our instincts, trying to corrupt us. In a way, when Moses saved the Jews, it represented the saving of humanity. ( Or at least it was supposed to)
Thus I believe that because Jesus was built by human design God realized that a basic human instinct can be exploited by evil and set up the 10 commandments according. Everytime we see that sexy person across the street, that is the devil exploiting our instincts, trying to corrupt us.
lol, that's ridiculous.
I'm not going to attack this from an ideological basis (because it's clear that I don't agree), but lets look at it logically: if God gave us our instincts, and being physically attracted to a physically fit member of the opposite sex (or wherever you're oriented) is instinctive, then how can it be the devil "exploiting" our instincts? If it was corrupt to be attracted to people other than your spouse, God wouldn't have given us instincts to have a raw, animalistic, carnal desire for sex.
Furthermore, the 10 Commandments were clearly set up before Jesus was tempted by Satan, according to chronological biblical events, so I'm not sure how you can say that the latter led to the former.
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In a way, when Moses saved the Jews, it represented the saving of humanity. ( Or at least it was supposed to)
I think most people see Jesus being crucified as a representation of the saving of humanity....
We are attracted to the opposite sex so that we can have sex to create new life, not for the casual quickie. Are you telling me that Jesus was alive during the time the moses lead the Jews to freedom? Maybe I am mixing up my timelines here, but I am pretty sure the devil tempted Jesus before he was nailed to the cross and Jesus returned, after death, to give Moses the guidance to free the Jewish slaves from Pharaoh.Obviously Jesus died to save humanity from hell when they sinned, but by Moses saving humanity, I meant from their old ways. The laws for humaity werent really written till the 10 commandments.
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