This is a discussion on Death Penalty within the General Discussion forums, part of the Non Wrestling Forums category; Jay it cost a hell of a lot more to kill them, a hell of a lot more.
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Jay it cost a hell of a lot more to kill them, a hell of a lot more.
And if you want to get free up room in the jails you'll have to kill a lot more than the murderers. Killing such a small percentage won't do a whole lot of good.
If you want to free up rooms in an overcrowded jail, you need to stop putting people in jail for petty thefts, and for possession of drugs such as marijuana. Things like that would free up room, killing all the murderers...not so much.
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It definitely costs a hell of a lot more to kill them.
The reason being, legal appeals. They have the right to appeal something like 3 times. We get stuck paying for all attorney and court fees involved. That is what costs so damn much.
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But has someone gone through how much it would cost to house a person for, say, 50 years and add up all the costs & fees that go along with keeping him alive? Comparing the two, it is still less than giving him the death penalty?
I mean, costs such as keeping his cell lit up during the day, washing his sheets every so often, buying him a new bed, toilet, or whatever else is in the cell should it need replacing, the water bills for the sink and toilet, HVAC to his cell when required, custodial work to keep the cell clean, paying whoever cuts his hair each month, the food he eats 3 times a day....etc etc etc etc.....total that up for one day and mutiply it by 18250 (50 years, in this example).
I don't know about you guys, but I pay bills and own my home, so I know how much things add up. Unless I see figures of how much all that costs for just 1 prisoner, I'm going to agree to disagree with you guys on the issue.
But has someone gone through how much it would cost to house a person for, say, 50 years and add up all the costs & fees that go along with keeping him alive? Comparing the two, it is still less than giving him the death penalty?
I mean, costs such as keeping his cell lit up during the day, washing his sheets every so often, buying him a new bed, toilet, or whatever else is in the cell should it need replacing, the water bills for the sink and toilet, HVAC to his cell when required, custodial work to keep the cell clean, paying whoever cuts his hair each month, the food he eats 3 times a day....etc etc etc etc.....total that up for one day and mutiply it by 18250 (50 years, in this example).
I don't know about you guys, but I pay bills and own my home, so I know how much things add up. Unless I see figures of how much all that costs for just 1 prisoner, I'm going to agree to disagree with you guys on the issue.
In one of my CJ classes, a group did their project on this. It surprised me as well but they did have legit figures on this and the Professor confirmed it. The Professor is a retired Federal Correctional Officer.
You must not realize how expensive the legal fees can be. Have you ever noticed that it takes years to put someone to death? During all that time lawyers are being paid to work both sides of their case. Mucho dinero.
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Yes, I understand legal fees, and my family has been involved in a few cases so I know how much they can cost. They are higher than I would have expected, yes, but I guess I can't wrap my head around the fact that it still is more expensive than keeping him alive. Sorry.
The judicial system is such a joke, it's hilarious. But that's a topic for another thread. Since this is a "what would you do" thread, I'll just say what I would do about convicted murderers.
If you are found guilty by a jury for convicting murder, you are sent to a temporary holding cell. When the number reaches a specific target (100? I dunno) they are all transported to a locked room with thick steel walls and such, with vents all around. At that point, a massive death by toxic gas begins.
Call me crazy, but I think the whole judicial system as a whole has become way too overcomplicated. There are too many systems, double-checks, retrials, "your hearing will be in two years" going on. I'm no expert on the subject, but I think they could lean the entire procedure down a bit.
Sorry if I got off track from the original topic a bit there.
Yes, I understand legal fees, and my family has been involved in a few cases so I know how much they can cost. They are higher than I would have expected, yes, but I guess I can't wrap my head around the fact that it still is more expensive than keeping him alive. Sorry.
The judicial system is such a joke, it's hilarious. But that's a topic for another thread. Since this is a "what would you do" thread, I'll just say what I would do about convicted murderers.
If you are found guilty by a jury for convicting murder, you are sent to a temporary holding cell. When the number reaches a specific target (100? I dunno) they are all transported to a locked room with thick steel walls and such, with vents all around. At that point, a massive death by toxic gas begins.
Call me crazy, but I think the whole judicial system as a whole has become way too overcomplicated. There are too many systems, double-checks, retrials, "your hearing will be in two years" going on. I'm no expert on the subject, but I think they could lean the entire procedure down a bit.
Sorry if I got off track from the original topic a bit there.
I think it is a necessary evil. There have been innocent people convicted in our country and as long as their is a chance of that happening, we must exhaust all options of appeal. The reason certain states (W.V. being one of them) doesn't have the death penalty now is because they were found to be corrupt. In W.V. the crime lab had been faking DNA results etc. As long as we have issues like this (and we always will) appeals are necessary.
Since this is the case I believe that the best option is to get rid of the death penalty and replace it with life in prison.
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PBS had this up on their site last year I'll check later to see if it's still up there.
But they did the numbers on people who got the death penalty and all that they found it to be very racist.
I have no idea the number but the amount of black people killed via death penalty compared to whites is crazy high. And these numbers are among the number of murderers; so if there are 100 murderers 50 black and 50 white, 40 blacks will get death penalty and only like 20 whites.
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I honestly see no justice in an eye for an eye, I honestly don't feel you will feel any redemption.
Although I seem to agree with Jayman that it is cheaper to put someone to death than have them serve life in prison.
You argue that it is more expensive becuse of the legal fees involved defending against the death sentence, but it is likely that most criminals will defend against most sentences even if it doesn't involve the death sentence, leading to a lot of lawyers fees and encarceration expensese.
I am not sure about America, but apparently in Australia it costs up to $20,000 per year for each prisoner,once you consider food, cleaning, repairs and maintenance, guards wages, water, electricity, clothing. Surely it is much cheaper to put someone to death than pay these fees for multiple years.
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I am not sure about America, but apparently in Australia it costs up to $20,000 per year for each prisoner,once you consider food, cleaning, repairs and maintenance, guards wages, water, electricity, clothing. Surely it is much cheaper to put someone to death than pay these fees for multiple years.
In a death penalty case prisoners are guaranteed a certain amout of appeals because it is a matter of life or death. I don't think they get so many appeals for a life in prison sentence.
Like I said, it is a proven fact and there are figures to prove that it is more expensive to put someone to death in the U.S.
It isn't a matter of opinion.
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Like I said, it is a proven fact and there are figures to prove that it is more expensive to put someone to death in the U.S.
It isn't a matter of opinion.
I trust you when you say you've seen figures. You're not a liar. I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around it, like some others are.
If a man serves 60 years in prison, at $20,000 a year, that's $1,200,000 of tax money. It's hard to fathom that much money being spent on a much shorter time line just for legal fees for the exact same convict.
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