Health Insurance: A right, a privilege or a responsibility?
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Re: Health Insurance: A right, a privilege or a responsibility?
I'm going to have to disagree. I personally am a little over weight, I don't think it's fair for other people to have to pay for health consequences for that. I don't smoke, I don't want to pay extra money for health consequences for people who make that choice. People take risks that they shouldn't take (ie. bungee jumping, drag racing on public streets), and I don't want to pay for their mistakes. Everybody should take care of themselves and their own choices in what they do with their lives. I don't want other people to pay for me, just as I don't want to pay for other people. In the movie Sicko, one of the countries Michael Moore pointed to their health care system as a example, was Cuba. There's a reason that when Fidel Castro has had to have health issues taken care of, he's gone out of the country, because the quality is terrible. You take incentive out of practicing medicine, people don't inivate.
I don't think it's fair for other people to have to pay for health consequences for that... Everybody should take care of themselves and their own choices in what they do with their lives. I don't want other people to pay for me, just as I don't want to pay for other people.
I had childhood cancer, should I have paid for myself because of my own choices? Most medical treatments aren't directly related to something someone 'did'.
And though you may have to wait 2 weeks for some procedures, you are probably going to be fine waiting 2 weeks. I had to wait two weeks to have my wisdom teeth out. I survived. If you needed an emergency procedure, you would be provided with it on the spot.
You take incentive out of practicing medicine, people don't inivate.
Did you see the part in sicko where he talked to the Doctor in England who was really happy with what he got paid?
Had a nice flat, new expensive, car, etc....
And guess what? The government pays his salary so he doesn't have to go through crap to get it and deal with insurance companies.
Cuba is pretty much a third world country so even comparing their medical system to our country is unfair. You should be looking at countries like Canada, England, France, etc....
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Re: Health Insurance: A right, a privilege or a responsibility?
I really didn't post that to cause a fight. You believe what you believe, I have no thoughts on changing your mind. I just think that government should be involved in as little as possible, and this is one area I don't think government should be in. That's it. Most medical breakthroughs come out of the US, and that's not a coincidence.
I really didn't post that to cause a fight. You believe what you believe, I have no thoughts on changing your mind. I just think that government should be involved in as little as possible, and this is one area I don't think government should be in. That's it. Most medical breakthroughs come out of the US, and that's not a coincidence.
It sure isn't because we don't have Universal Healthcare.
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I'm going to have to disagree. I personally am a little over weight, I don't think it's fair for other people to have to pay for health consequences for that. I don't smoke, I don't want to pay extra money for health consequences for people who make that choice. People take risks that they shouldn't take (ie. bungee jumping, drag racing on public streets), and I don't want to pay for their mistakes. Everybody should take care of themselves and their own choices in what they do with their lives. I don't want other people to pay for me, just as I don't want to pay for other people. In the movie Sicko, one of the countries Michael Moore pointed to their health care system as a example, was Cuba. There's a reason that when Fidel Castro has had to have health issues taken care of, he's gone out of the country, because the quality is terrible. You take incentive out of practicing medicine, people don't inivate.
Since when is Michael Moore taken seriously and considered a good source of information?
Also, your argument should be completely invalid as you mention Cuba in your defense of why healthcare should not be universal. Of course Cuba does not have top of the line medical care. I don't think anyone is going to argue that with you. Try backing up your statements about "Lack of incentive and innovation" against the average European country with universal health care, or even Canada.
Bring Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark, or other European nations with good health care into the conversation, and see of that argument holds.
The US is the only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not have a universal health care system.
I really didn't post that to cause a fight. You believe what you believe, I have no thoughts on changing your mind. I just think that government should be involved in as little as possible, and this is one area I don't think government should be in. That's it. Most medical breakthroughs come out of the US, and that's not a coincidence.
Coincidence? No. But does that have anything to do with the awful health care coverage? Not at all. If your argument is that it's because the US doesn't spend on universal health care, then wouldn't the massive debt and money spent on the 'war on terror' have a bit more to do with it?
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This question was posed during the debates. Both candidates kind of did some rhetorical banter about tax credits and crap. I don't even know what either candidate stands for there, and really, don't care!
I pose to my fellow Monks, the same question. Is health insurance, a right, a privilege or a responsibility?
It's my opinion, that health insurance is an absolute right to those who cannot provide for themselves. This means, that if you're under the age of 18, even if your parents are employed, it is the country's responsibility to provide health insurance for you. As well, if you're incapacitated, or have some other type of illness where you cannot provide for yourself, again it's the governments responsibility to provide health insurance for you, entirely free. Pass out a card, just like they do food stamps.
If you're an adult, which would be 18 in this case (not 21!), then you should be able to provide for yourself. This means, that it's your responsibility to get your own health insurance. Perhaps your parents insurance will cover you, as some do until your 23, 24, 25, or perhaps you need to go out and get a job, so you can afford to have private health insurance. Either way, you're a grown adult, and you're able to provide for yourself, so therefore you should cover yourself or pay the consequences.
Though you're calling it "an absolute right", you're explaining it as a privilege. If the only people, in your opinion, who have the right to health care are those under 18, then aren't they privileged? Being entitled to something based purely on some qualification (such as age) is basically the definition of a privilege.
Anyway, my answer is none of the above. The majority of this thread's discussion has come from the perspective of people who actually grew up having healthcare, and/or who grew up in an industrialized environment in which having health insurance was the norm. How about we ask the indigenous tribes of the Amazon what they think about their current healthcare plan? To them, it's not a right, privilege, nor responsibility. Objectively, it is a social construct (along with the whole idea of having "rights"). It's something that we've convinced ourselves is important and merit-holding, when in reality, if we as a society just dropped this line of discourse from the political arena, nothing would get any worse, and nothing would get any better. Considering that the concept of health insurance didn't even exist until a couple hundred years ago, how can anyone make a precise philosophical statement about it?
btw, even if you perceived it to having been "rhetorical banter", both candidates answered this question pretty clearly. McCain said it's a responsibility, and Obama said it should be a right...
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