Tyler Durden

WC Hall Of Famer

Naturally I would hope that you (and anyone else) would say that what makes you sick to your stomach about this whole thing is the senseless loss of life and the day to day misery and abhorent tragedy that must be lived through now by the survivors who knew and loved the victims.

But hey, maybe this is the time to bring up the big issue of defending the rights of law abiding citizens and to fire arms.

There is a bigger picture here young Dakster, and using hyperbole to overstate what is the truly sickening issue here is surely something that you didn't mean to do?? It just doesn't sound right that the first big input on this issue from you (a West Virginian that I was very keen to hear the opinion of) was to post a big ol' post detailing how you believe gun users and gun laws are to be defended. Maybe you just felt the need to go on the defensive following Tom Dogg's post?

Invictus

The USA will never be able to tighten up gun laws because once you have given the population something it is ridicously hard to take it back. Look at how Prohibition turned out, people who want guns will get guns in the USA and that is a sad fact.

That being said the USA does need tighter gun control, there is a reason why you have the highest mortality rate from gun related crime, its because its legal to walk into a shop and buy a gun over the counter. The shooter went into a shop bought two guns and all he had to do was fill in a form (which he lied on) and then he gets his gun. Thats just crazy, there is no other word to describe it.

Dakstang

WC's Resident Redneck

It should go without saying that what happened was horrible. Many innocent people lost their lives. I didn't feel that I had to express my feelings on that subject since it should be a given that I am saddened and outraged by the killings.

Another thing we should be outraged about is that news stations are all ready exploiting the death of so many innocent people to try and draw attention to shot gun and rifle laws.....which have nothing to do with it.

Danny Diamond

Founder/Admin

The irony that the googlead in this thread is for buying a gun online. DOH........


It was nice seeing a football stadium of mourners today. I think often times people don't realize that it could very well be their last day walking out there front door when they go to work, school or play. People shouldnt hold grudges or stupid fights with people they care about, because you never know when they might be taken from you.

Erin

Monk's First Lady

Anything designed to outright kill another person should be outlawed. I think guns should only be sold to those with a legal hunting licence. You think it's your right to own an instrument that's sole purpose is to kill or harm another? Get a new hobby. If you want to improve your aim, try darts or archery.

Dak, are you trying to argue that he shouldn't have had a gun, because he was an alien? Is it because he is Korean? Then how do you explain the hundreds of gun homicides comitted by American citizens? I have a perfect police record, and am even approved by the education board of Canada. If I came and tried to buy a gun, they would have no excuse not to sell me one. I am an alien too, I'm from Canada. Am I more likely to commit a crime because I am from a different country.

I'm not attacking you here, I just love to debate.

Dakstang

WC's Resident Redneck

I personally believe that only U.S. citizens should own guns in the U.S. No evidence to back it up, just a personal thought.

I think that gun laws should be tightened in the U.S. We should have some sort of psychological background check that would reveal if they have any psychological issues that would be a concern.

I believe that a U.S. citizen that passes all the tests related to buying a gun should be able to own a gun for personal protection. I have guns that belonged to my dad and now belong to me. I rarely use them and I never carry any in public. One of them is a handgun and all the rest are either shotguns or rifles. Some of the those guns have been in the family for over 50 years. Do you think I should not have the right to own them?

I have a permit to carry a gun and I am going to be a Correctional Officer when I get my degree and they are allowed to carry guns while off duty anyway.

Erin

Monk's First Lady

I have a nuclear warhead that used to be my Mom's, it's been in the family for years. I rarely use it. Should I have the right to own it? It's soul existance is for killing others, but you know, it's for self defense, so that's ok.

If you want to own them as historic pieces, don't keep bullets in them. Mount them on a wall or something.

Dakstang

WC's Resident Redneck

That is a completely ridiculous mock comparison.

The only thing banning guns would do is take them out of the hands of law abiding citizens. If criminals want guns, they will get them.

Invictus

Erin's argument isn't as stupid as you make it out to be, there's nothing stopping you keeping the guns that have been in your family but do they need to be locked and loaded as well?

That being said because the gun control issue has been left to rot for so long because gutless politicians, gun control is an unobtainable dream in the USA.

Great quote from a great TV show sums up my thoughts on Gun Control

"If you combine the populations of Great Britain, France, Germany, Japan, Switzerland, Sweden, Denmark and Australia, you'll get a population roughly the size of the United States. We had 32,000 gun deaths last year. They had 112. Do you think it's because Americans are more homicidal by nature? Or do you think it's because those guys have gun control laws?"

Thundercat

Interesting fact, although the news seems to like saying this is the worst school killing in US history it is NOT. It is however the worst School shooting in US history but this was the worst school killing Bath School disaster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I've noticed most news reports have changed it to specifically say "Shooting"

Anyway, I think its horrible whats happened at VT.
But I have to agree with Erin here, a big part of why this happened was because its so easy to buy a gun in the US. Obviously its also the lunatic and people could say he would have killed people another way. But there are lunatics all over the world... so why is it that this happens in America more then anywhere else?
And to say that anything about him being not from America?... fine use that excuse here what about any of the other hundreds of shootings around America?
I'm Canadian and our laws make it a little harder to get a gun here, now my dad also owns a lot of shotguns and rifles as he use to hunt a lot. Even though he has a legal hunting license and owns the guns legally I remember a few years ago the laws here nearly changed that he would have had to give up some of the guns.
Doesn't that kinda say something about the American gun laws? I mean look at it this way.

Deaths related to killings with guns in America are in record numbers
And its already pretty easy to get a gun and laws aren't being changed

Deaths related to killings with guns in Canada probably nowhere near American Numbers
And guns are already pretty difficult to get here and they're trying to make it even harder to get one.

Alright that was way longer then i thought so I'm gonna stop there, just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents.

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